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Old 12-21-2009, 01:07 AM   #11
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You dont have to have a sump. It can help things out. You can still have a reef going in a 20g.

Maybe start that up, See how you go with that for a while. Then when you have the money, Go something big like 125g or more.

Then you'll have the experiance and be able to have in there whatever you choose. If it fits the room requirement.

Hope i've helped. Enjoy.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:25 PM   #12
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You dont have to have a sump. It can help things out. You can still have a reef going in a 20g.

Maybe start that up, See how you go with that for a while. Then when you have the money, Go something big like 125g or more.

Then you'll have the experiance and be able to have in there whatever you choose. If it fits the room requirement.

Hope i've helped. Enjoy.
There are two things that bother me about doing this reef thing where I am now. One is cost. The second is space. Storing 5 gallons of saltwater overnight in a room that is only 7'6" wide, once a week, is going to be impractical. Bare it in mind that I live in this room, along with my fiance, and we spend most of our time in there. Having a big bucket of water kicking around is going to be irritating at best. Or maybe not? 5 gallons isn't too bad... hmm I'll have to think about that one some more.

I'm looking at the cost of lighting at the moment and it seems that my best bet would be the aquamedic ocean light, which is 24" long and in the region of £150. That's fine for me, I think that's pretty reasonable. The only problem is that the costs don't end there. Live rock is also really expensive, so are corals! I worked out that the LR alone could cost anywhere between £150 to £200. Individual corals can cost in the region of £20.

I just wanna be able to do this thing properly. If I work out the whole project to be about £450-£500 in budget for the 20 gallon tank, I can save for it and get exactly what I want.
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If you want to do that then you should visit you LFS and plan out your tank according to the prices of the fish and corals you want. Then try super hard to not deviate from that plan. (And trust me, you'll be tempted beyond belief).
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:39 AM   #14
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If you want to do that then you should visit you LFS and plan out your tank according to the prices of the fish and corals you want. Then try super hard to not deviate from that plan. (And trust me, you'll be tempted beyond belief).
I have no specific plan for corals. I know exactly what fish I want; one single clown, either a black ocellaris clown, or a true percula. Maybe a few inverts, clams, crabs, etc. I would like to eventually keep an anemone.

That's it. Nothing exciting, nothing ambitious, just a fairly basic reef. Think I can do it with just L/R, powerheads and nothing else? Something tells me that it's not possible.

Yeah, 150 gallon tanks are nice, but, who can really afford to pay out the £1000's for the tank, the lights, etc. these days? Seriously if I ever find myself having enough money to set up a tank like that I'll do myself a favour and buy something more productive, like a car.

I'm not greedy, I don't want to have loads of fish and huge banks of coral. I just want to have my own little reef, my one clownfish, and preferably an anemone. That's all folks.
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That's it. Nothing exciting, nothing ambitious, just a fairly basic reef. Think I can do it with just L/R, powerheads and nothing else? Something tells me that it's not possible.
You could especially if you get 3, 4, 5 clams in there to really filter that water. But you have to make sure you have really good lighting for the clams and the anenome.
BTW Anenome + Clown Tip #1 - If you want to make sure the clown uses the anenome buy a bonded pair clown+anenome. If you buy them seperate there are no guarantees it will use the anenome. Mine sleeps in some hair algae about 10cm away from a perfectly good anenome.
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You could especially if you get 3, 4, 5 clams in there to really filter that water. But you have to make sure you have really good lighting for the clams and the anenome.
BTW Anenome + Clown Tip #1 - If you want to make sure the clown uses the anenome buy a bonded pair clown+anenome. If you buy them seperate there are no guarantees it will use the anenome. Mine sleeps in some hair algae about 10cm away from a perfectly good anenome.
Would 150 watts MH be sufficient for that many clams, coral, and an anemone?

And in response to your tip, like I said earlier, I'm not too bothered about the clown using the anemone, and I'll tell you why. If I ever find a bonded pair for sale then I'll consider it, but to be honest I seriously don't think that this is a good way to shop for anemone. I've done a whole lot of reading about them and gathering from what I've read, while this approach may work for an expert, I really doubt it's going to go well for a beginner such as myself.

Anemones have a pretty low survival rate in the home aquarium as it is - even big public aquariums have a hard time keeping them alive. As far as I know most anemones expell their zooxanthellae the moment their collected, with survivors being the exception, not the rule. To my eyes, success is all about picking the right specimen in the shop. For one thing, you really need to look at the anemone and ask questions; is it healthy? Has it expelled it's zooxanthellae? Is the foot fully anchored? How long has it been in the shop? If you're looking for a bonded pair you're going to have much less chance to "shop around" for a good specimen, because the chances are there's going to be lots of good individual clowns and individual anemones, but very few bonded pairs. An impulse buy here is likely to end in failure. Not being an anemone expert I usually have no idea what anemone I'm looking at - just like everyone else I have to do my research. I might find that I've ended up with a very healthy, but very hard to keep specimen.

In short I think it's much more important to have a tank with a healthy clown and a healthy anemone, even if the two won't have anything to do with eachother. I would very much prefer to buy a clownfish first, get used to keeping it and let the tank adjust to the bioload of the fish, before I added an anemone. I'd hate to take a bonded pair and then break that bond by making amateur mistakes that end up killing off the anemone.
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I've had a few different types of anemones. At the moment, I have a Green Haddoni Carpet anemone, And a BTA. The BTA moves all the time, Its never happy, but he's doing fine. He'll stay in one spot for a while, Then move again. Im not sure why.. The carpet on the other hand has fully anchored himself down on the substrate. Then i went and brought 2 Black and White ocellaris, Juvenile, One small, One bigish. At the start they didnt host anything and they were fighting a little bit, Then the bigish one started hosting the carpet and the little one followed after a while. Now they're paired up and hosting the carpet.
But yeah, Tbh.. I dont think anemones are to hard to look after. I feed my Carpet once a week to once every 2 weeks and same with the BTA. And they seem to be thriving.

Anyway, Whatever you get. Good luck.

Also, 150w MH will be enough lighting.
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I've had a few different types of anemones. At the moment, I have a Green Haddoni Carpet anemone, And a BTA. The BTA moves all the time, Its never happy, but he's doing fine. He'll stay in one spot for a while, Then move again. Im not sure why.. The carpet on the other hand has fully anchored himself down on the substrate. Then i went and brought 2 Black and White ocellaris, Juvenile, One small, One bigish. At the start they didnt host anything and they were fighting a little bit, Then the bigish one started hosting the carpet and the little one followed after a while. Now they're paired up and hosting the carpet.
But yeah, Tbh.. I dont think anemones are to hard to look after. I feed my Carpet once a week to once every 2 weeks and same with the BTA. And they seem to be thriving.

Anyway, Whatever you get. Good luck.

Also, 150w MH will be enough lighting.
Sounds to me like your BTA doesn't like the flow in your tank. A close friend of mine found that he had the exact same problem as you, a wondering anemone, and solved it by changing the LR arrangement and powerhead positioning. This was apparently completely unintentional, the rearrangement was due to boredom. If I remember correctly the anemone settled in a sheltered area with the tentacles just poking out into the faster flowing open water.

Re the lighting, I figured as much, being around 7.5 watts per gallon. Even with the US gallon it's still something like 6.8 wpg. Put a light like that over a FW planted tank and you'd probably wake up the next day to find the whole house is now a jungle!
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