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Old 09-11-2008, 10:31 PM   #1
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Question 30 g done cycling??? Also need coral help!

Hey everyone, new to AA! Well I have had my tank cycling for about 2 weeks now. I have a 30 G setup with about 20 lbs of "live" sand. About 10 lbs of Indonesian LR. A nice powerhead, a Penguin BIOWHEEL 200 3 stage filter system, and a 100 watt heater. Also a PC 48 WATT 50/50 with acentic lighting. I have done lots of reasearch, but when i baught most of the supplies the LFS told me to use a fish to cycle. I have had a domino damsel in there for the whole time and he is still doing fine. I added some bacteria, and the live rock 2 weeks ago, and I took my water to the lfs. They tested it and said everything was perfect. I am going to take him out because I know he is not needed and he is agressive. I also have a counch snail who is a very good cleaner. My questions are

1) if my water is fine, and I added bacteria and buffer when i started tank. also have had live rock in there for a while can I add a mated pair of clowns?

2) Also I will attach pics, but I picked up a few very small frags of green and red zooanthids today. The lfs wasnt to helpful by telling me how to mount them. They had a little peice of LR on the bottom of them, I used the marine glue, and just placed them ontop of my live rock....will this be ok? Also do I have to feed them directley???

Thanks so much, will keep every one informed, and look forward to learning more and more, and meeting some of you!

Ben

ps...I know I need more LR. Working on it! Also should I use a lot of base rock to save on money, and weight. Doesnt it weigh less so its better? Any help is appreciated. Expecially if ANYONE can fill me in and gimmie a quick "class" on the coral I got in there. It seemed to open up GREAT after a few hours after I introduced it to the tank.
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:47 AM   #2
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Talking is tank cycled?! need help !!!!

Hey everyone, new to AA! Well I have had my tank cycling for about 2 weeks now. I have a 30 G setup with about 20 lbs of "live" sand. About 10 lbs of Indonesian LR. A nice powerhead, a Penguin BIOWHEEL 200 3 stage filter system, and a 100 watt heater. Also a PC 48 WATT 50/50 with acentic lighting. I have done lots of reasearch, but when i baught most of the supplies the LFS told me to use a fish to cycle. I have had a domino damsel in there for the whole time and he is still doing fine. I added some bacteria, and the live rock 2 weeks ago, and I took my water to the lfs. They tested it and said everything was perfect. I am going to take him out because I know he is not needed and he is agressive. I also have a counch snail who is a very good cleaner. My questions are

1) if my water is fine, and I added bacteria and buffer when i started tank. also have had live rock in there for a while can I add a mated pair of clowns?

2) Also I will attach pics, but I picked up a few very small frags of green and red zooanthids today. The lfs wasnt to helpful by telling me how to mount them. They had a little peice of LR on the bottom of them, I used the marine glue, and just placed them ontop of my live rock....will this be ok? Also do I have to feed them directley???

Thanks so much, will keep every one informed, and look forward to learning more and more, and meeting some of you!

Ben

ps...I know I need more LR. Working on it! Also should I use a lot of base rock to save on money, and weight. Doesnt it weigh less so its better? Any help is appreciated. Expecially if ANYONE can fill me in and gimmie a quick "class" on the coral I got in there. It seemed to open up GREAT after a few hours after I introduced it to the tank.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:21 AM   #3
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I'm still new too, so I can't really answer a lot of your questions... except perhaps one.

Live rock and dead rock weigh the same. The difference is live rock has bacterial cultures living all over (and in) it. Dead rock just has none of this good bacteria left on it... it "died" off. If you have dead rock in an aquarium long enough with live rock, the dead rock will, over time, become live rock too... (with bacteria growing all over it..)
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Did you monitor the cycle with a test kit The ammonia should have spiked and then nitrites and then nitrates?.

The Zoanthids are just filter feeders and will live off whats in the water? None of my corals are attached to my live rock just sitting on top. Usually they get mounted to a plug or piece of rubble and thats it.

Clownfish are really hardy but I would not recommend adding any livestock until your all setup and cycling is complete. Prefferably just Spend the money on more liverock?

What kind of Buffer are you using there really should not be a need for a buffer or that bacteria in a can stuff either?

Are you using tap water/Store bought/RO/DI?

How are you mixing and storing and testing your salt water?
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Hello, well I had a cheapy test kit and found out it was defective after all this time! Thats why I took my water to the LFS and got it tested. They said it was good, and there was nothing wrong with it. So I cant say if my ammonia or any of that spiked. So you said you dont mount your Zoas onto live rock? But can you see the picture of mine? And is it ok that I did that? So you think I should wait for the cycle? Well thats what I was wondering, is it done yet? Water is testing out good, coral is surviving. Snail is surviving, and dominio damsel is good. I can wait, I know not to be in a hurry but just curious.....ALso I am using tap water, but using the decholorifier for it. There is a fish store around here that sells RODI water for super cheap so I willl probably start using that. But as of now I just did tap. Also I had to do a 10% water change yesterday because my SG was a little high (1.026). The LFS told me this because my hydrometer was wrong. So I took out 10% or maybe a little less and replaced it was no salt tap water. I just put a little decholorifier in there since it was tap...is that alright? Ill start buying the RODI water from the lfs in the future. Also you said mixing and storing my saltwatser.....well I havent had to do a real PWC yet because its still cycling, so I have not stored it. When I first set up the tank I just mixed it in the tank......thanks so much for the help, much appreciated!!!!! Any more help would be awesome!
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Um...hmmm...Ok...

Your LFS is working with and giving dated advice. It is not necessary to cycle your tank with any live animals.

#1 suggestion for you is to buy your own test kits and keep track of your water parameters.

#2 go to the article section here and read about cycling your tank.

#3 do not add any fish until you have gotten some test kits and know what your readings are.

Unless you got LS from an established tank and the LR you go was fully cured I would venture to guess that your tank is not fully cycled. You need to be testing your water and doing PWCs. The corals you got are called Zoanthids and may or may not make it if your tank is not finished cycling. You do not need to feed them as they will get what they need from light/water column.

Read through those articles and research before you buy.
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Ben - do you have test kits to check and post all your results/parameters?
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Moderators might want to merge this thread with a duplicate posted elsewhere...

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums...lp-106374.html

Oh... and I agree with Ziggy 100% - think you're on the front end of a cycle.
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ok, well by using the tap water and the dechlorinator will that be alright? Also how should I do my lighting. I have a NOVA extreme 48 watt T5 High Output light. Its got the 460 nm actinic T5 lamp, and the 10,000 K T5 Lamp. Will this lighitng be sufficent enough for a 30g? Also how long should I leave it on and how long should i keep it off. When i turn it off my Zoas seem to shut up, and then when I turn it on they open back up....is this normal? Also for the zoas, how long do you think the little buds will take to spead over the LR that they are on? Thanks a lot for the help. Another thing I forgot to mention, my damsel fish ended up passing away. I was going to take him back to the LFS today, but I woke up and he was gone. I am assuming because of the high levels of ammonia or nitrite. Will this ruin my whole tank? I took him our immdietley but will this tank still be ok???? thanks again for all of your help, helps me out a lot. should have went on here and asked about the damsel before listening to the stupid LFS!!!!
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