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Old 02-14-2013, 12:09 PM   #81
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You can get a diamond bit drill (I found one for $10 but is only good for 4 holes) which can drill through tempered glass. That's what I did with my tank. No problem and clean cut.

I know you are concerned about the parameters. I highly recommend the overflow box and the refugium, they are seriously amazing. The biological filter is so important and will help you with your parameters.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:41 PM   #82
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The whole point of live rock is Biological filter right?

There are warning stickers on the tank that say DO NOT DRILL. I figure they know what they are talking about.

I just cleaned the canister filter, and removed the charcoal and the purigen for a while.

I am not so worried about long term parameters, I am right now making sure that nothing gets in the way of cycling.

I might pick up a hang on back refugium.

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Pick up a HOB overflow. I run a CPR one with an aqualifter on my 55 reef. Works great. Just keep a paperclip along side it incase the output for the aqualifter gets clogged.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:54 PM   #84
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Can You Drill a Hole in Tempered Glass

Tempered glass is glass subjected to a process that permanently changes its structure, making it tough and durable. Any cutting or drilling necessary is carried out before the tempering process. It is inadvisable to drill tempered glass.





  1. Features

    • Tempered glass has a very hard, durable surface. It is more resistant to heat than standard glass and breaks less easily. Pieces of glass that are to be tempered are precut and drilled before undergoing the tempering process, because they cannot be drilled afterwards.

    Effects

    • Tempered glass is made by heating glass to around 1300ļF (700ļC). The glass is then removed from the furnace and cooled very rapidly. This creates new stresspatterns in the glass; the core of the glass is under tension, while the surfaces of the glass are in compression. Tempered glass is 400 to 500 percent stronger than standard glass, but if the surface is damaged the whole pane shatters completely. This applies to cutting and drilling as well as accidental damage.

    Considerations

    • Aside from the high likelihood of tempered glass shattering if you attempt to drill it, the hard surface of tempered glass significantly reduces the life of diamond drill bits.

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Old 02-14-2013, 12:56 PM   #85
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Is there some reason not to get a HOB refugium and HOB skimmer?

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I personally don't know much about them, but can speak for what I am using with success. And who can argue with more water and place to put your equipment? Maybe a future refugium? It is a great project either way.
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Something about more than one way to skin a cat.

My stand has a integral center support that would only allow maybe a ten or 15 gallon sump, but then I would run the risk of flooding the carpet on that side of the basement.

Doesn't seem like a big enough pay off for me, at least at this point.

More water is better, absolutely.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:06 PM   #88
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The pwc are slowing down your cycle. I have a hob skimmer doesn't bother me I look at my reef not the skimmer. I use the eshopp overflow love it always restarts after wc no pump needed. Hob fuge is better than nothing if you can fit a fuge under tank you won't regret it. Don't drill tank!!!
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:07 PM   #89
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15 gal is fine my lfs sells them if set up right it will never flood.
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Actually you'd be fine! With proper design you won't flood. On the overflow, water can only pass into it until it goes under the level of the baffles. Then, for the sump, I'm told drilling a small hole in the return line will help on this end, but simply designing the sump to hold a smaller amount of water will prevent overflow of the aquarium.

So, to reflect, a sump can't overflow from siphon loss. To ensure the display doesn't, don't have a sump totally full of water. Even with my ato sucking a gallon of ro/di into the mix, my display does not overflow upon rate siphon loss. This is why the aqualifter is on the overflow to prevent this.
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