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Old 02-04-2007, 12:10 PM   #21
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I think that you are going to find the confusion will only get worse the deeper you go into this hobby. My suggestion for you is to STOP now and do A LOT MORE research! Remeber that you are dealing with live animals here, and expensive ones at that. If you don't want to listen to these guys (experts IMO) then go to http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm this link is saltwater aquariums 101. You need to read it! If you had a 75g when you were growing up you should know a lot of this. My guess is someone else took care of it for you and you looked at the stuff in it. A 10g tank = disaster if you don't know what you are doing. Save your money and do more research! This hobby will be here patiently waiting for you as will those of us willing to give advice (mostly from our own trials and errors)!
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...okk i shall read that...

question thow i dont wanna sound ignorant or anything but.. my brothers future wife *** a small 10 gallon tank.. all she has in it is LR LS 2 perculas and 2 diferent corals... she does not have a heater a skimmer all she has is a regular filter ... ooo and she also has a couple shrimp**.. i do not see why i need so much stuff if she has been running her nano for about 2 years now? and after speeking to her yesterday about it she told me she had never had any problem with and does about a 10% water change every 2 weeks? can u guys please explain to me why she doesnt need all this equipment that you guys are telling me about
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Dude, do what you want. You don't wanna listen to people with a combined total of hundreds of years of experience in this.

I highly doubt she has just a regular filter and no heater unless she is running some really hot lights (MH) or lives in the tropics and never uses air conditioning, and a modified AC with just LR rubble. No powerhead...no water movement. Fluctuating temperature.

We are telling you you need this stuff to try to save the lives of the ANIMALS, PETS you are about to get without any knowledge.

Do more research. Especially about nano tanks since you are determined not to listen to reason.

Take some pics of her tank. I'd love to see it. I wanna see if she is really not using a heater and just a regular filter and has no algae issues. I'd also like to see the lights she is using, and how her tank looks in general. I'm very curious.
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I'm not trying to go agaisnt anything any of you are saying? I'm actually just curious about it.. If I did not care I wouldn't of cared to post and asked questions I'm askin or have waited this long to buy the equipment....and I'm sorry that I want a nano tank even if its what u guys don't want I'm gunna get it, its really rhe only space I have so stop being agaisnt my choice and rather explain to me more rather than tellin me I'm all rong. And yes she does have her10 gallon and to be exact its been running on a 12.99 filter which she cleans every week and not a single problem with it..
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Well there is part of it.....She cleans it every week! The amount of maintenance that a small tank requires is far greater then that of a larger tank. If you have limited space and limited time and $$$$resources then I recommend dropping the SW and going with a FW.
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But why must you guys influence my choice. I will get the 10gal sw tank and add the equipment you guys suggest. Please stop telling me nnot to get it and do something else. I have all the time in the world I never said I did not say anything about not having time?
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I suggest you run lights during the cycle so that any photosynthetic life on the lr will live. Probably a short 8 hour period would be fine.

Get a heater. Small tanks can have large temperature swings over a day that can kill any fish. If your brother's future wife doesn't have a heater and the tank is fine then the tank probably happens to be located near a warm place in the house.

I have a ten gallon nano and do 30% pwc's every week. You don't need a skimmer on a ten gallon as long as you keep up with the maintenance.

I suggest you do a lot more research before you start this. You are going to have a lot of problems if you don't. And you should get a bigger tank before you do this, like everyone who has many years of experience has been trying to tell you.

Your going into the nano reef part of this hobby with, IMO, no experience with fish keeping.

Nano-reef tanks are THE hardest tanks to keep and maintain over long periods of time. And from the looks like it yours may last a month before everything dies.
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But why must you guys influence my choice. I will get the 10gal sw tank and add the equipment you guys suggest. Please stop telling me nnot to get it and do something else. I have all the time in the world I never said I did not say anything about not having time?
We must influence your choice because we don't want you to fail, and we don't want to see innocent animals die in the hands of someone who refuses to research for their care, refuses to listen, and refuses to learn. We don't want you to kill innocent animals in a way that is very painful for them.

If you have all the time in the world, THEN save your money longer and buy a larger tank, quality equipment and wait until you have everything situated. Then buy quality live rock and sand and wait some more, start reading about good sw husbandry, and let your tank cycle...fullly equipped.


even if you refuse to get a larger tank THEN save your money longer because you need more than a bill twenty to even set up a 10 gallon. And you need to do a ton of research, because those of us with nano tanks are usually setting up our 3rd or 4th tank, not our first, and have experinced the ups and downs of SW and know how to fix what is wrong. Even i don't know everything, i ask questions here all the time, But i listen to the answers, and take their advice. I even removed a nuisence anemone after i didn't want to hear i had to because i had grown quite attached to it. Because the people overwhelmingly told me i needed to.

Then wait some more
Then test your water and see if it is ready yet, no ammonia, no nitrite, low low low nitrates, stable pH, good Alk, good calcium
Then do some more reading
Then test your water and see if it is ready yet, no ammonia, no nitrite, low low low nitrates, stable pH, good Alk, good calcium
Then do a water change, with no livestock
Then do some research
Then test your water and see if it is ready yet, no ammonia, no nitrite, low low low nitrates, stable pH, good Alk, good calcium
Then do a water change, with no livestock
Then wait
Then test your water and see if it is ready yet, no ammonia, no nitrite, low low low nitrates, stable pH, good Alk, good calcium
Then do a water change, with no livestock

Then buy fish and corals. If everything is perfect.

This is not a cheap hobby or one to rush. You HAVE to be knowledgeable and patient.

Let me ask you this:

What is the main nuisence anemone you WILL face?
What are 4 types of algae you will most likely face?
One isn't really an algae, what is it and what is it really if not an algae?
What causes algae?
What metal is deadly to inverts in SW?
Name 3 soft corals genus
What does LPS mean? Give 3 examples of LPS.
What does SPS mean? Name the two main SPS genus.
What kind of clownfish is nemo? What is his preferred amenome type?
Can you keep anemones in a reef? Why or why not?
What is SG? What is the preffered SG for FOWLR? For Reef?
Name 2 brands of Artificial salt.
What are the test kits you NEED to have?
What should the pH be in a reef tank? in a FOWLR tank?
What is FOWLR?
What is Fallow?
What are the three big SW fish diseases we fight most often? Which primarily affects clownfish?
WHat is the difference between SW ich and FW ich? How do you treat SW ich?
What is Macro algae? Is it good or bad? Name 3 types commonly found in a SW tank.
What is PC? MH? VHO? NO? what is best for a 10 gallon tank?
What is the optimal temp in your tank for your fish and corals?
What is a powerhead? What is it's purpose in a marine setup?
What is a dead zone? What is it's purpose in a reef setup?
What is coralline? What makes it grow?
Name 3 foods to use in a SW tank.
Name 2 people in the Reef world who are to be looked to as experts. One wrote a book that we all count on, like the reef bible. What is it's name? do you own it?
What is the Berlin method? What is DSB method?

No cheating. Answer as many as you can. I'd say when you can answer them without googling, you are on your way to a 30-40 gallon tank.
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And i may be harsh, but i am asking questions 95% of the people on this board can answer in their sleep because they have done their research.

I am trying to tough love you. Tell you the truth, get you to understand that with $120 and 10 gallons, for your first tank, you will kill valuable and sensitive ANIMALS. these aren't decorations. THey aren't neato things to look at. They have LIVES, personalities, and live and breath. I have close to 100 fish in total, FW and SW and i can tell them all apart. I gave them all names, I write stories about their activites. My corals have names. My plants in my FW planted tank are tended to daily. My SW tank gets a minimum of 1 water change per week. Most week it gets 2 or more. I run to my LFS at least 2 x per week. I know the employees by name.

My fish are PETS. they are as important to keep alive and comfortable as my cats. They have feelings, and they hurt when they are poisoned by ammonia or nitrite, or my carelessness.
They die. And it is sad. And we spend our time and money dumping sludge on reefs in nature, killing the corals and inverts and fish there....and we are paying for it in the way of global warming.

In my home, i pay for it in sadness when a fish i let eat from my hands and watch with delight dies.

Anywhere you go and ask for advice, whether here, 3reef, reefcentral, marinedepot, tfm, anywhere, will tell you the same thing. they will get as upset as we are, they will mock you. Some more than others. I dare you to go to fantasyreef or reefcentral and try to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about because your future sister in law's tank, or not to tell you not to do what you are planning because we are just mean. Reef keepers, and FOWLR keepers, even most FW keepers can answer most of those questions above. We are being hard on you because we care about your ANIMALS. we want you to succeed in making them happy and comfortable.

Hell, some days I have guilt for even keeping fish as I worry they might be confined, bored in their glass boxes. the least i can do is make sure they are comfortable, entertained, well fed, disease free, algae free, clean and healthy. So i read. and research. and started at the beginning, not the end of the challenge

A 10 gallong SW tank is the end of the challenge. the beginning is a 40 gal FW tank without plants. and that isn't even easy or doable on $120.
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AMEN! Well said! I think you have just said exactly what all of use have been thinking and feeling. I like you and most others have invested a lot of our time and lives, not to mention that of our families time and lives into this hobby and we are passionate about this! My hat is off to you! Take a bow!
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