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Old 08-07-2004, 08:53 PM   #1
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Advice needed from Saltwater veterans...

I finally bought a 125 gallon tank on Ebay - the guy sounds really cool.

Came with everything I think I'll need - stand, hood, reef lighting, UV sterilizer, protein skimmer, clearwater system, pumps, wet/dry sump, and 80 lbs of fully-cured live rock. I think the price was pretty incredible at $860. I think I probably would have spent twice that new.

Anyway I've gotta go pick it up. It sounds like he's had very good luck with it (I know, luck is not a factor). He's had it set up for 8 years, he cured the live rock himself and says it's very healthy. He offered me the fish but I'd like to have the tank fully set up with the healthy live rock before I even start thinking about fish.

My question - How should I go about starting this tank up? I don't want to damage the live rock with tap water obviously, but I currently have a 44 gallon saltwater tank set up (but the water hasn't fully cycled yet). I was thinking I could transfer those 40 gallons into the new 125 for the time being and add water slowly until it's filled. He's going to throw in a reverse-osmosis water purifier to create water for the tank, which was really cool of him.

So how would you go about this?
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Old 08-07-2004, 08:55 PM   #2
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Well the first thing I would do would be ask the guy selling it if he could help you set it up. Im assuming your both close as far as geography is concerned. If he is willing to help you set the tank up then he will probably also be willing to give you a good summary of what he has been doing to the tank as far as maintance, etc.
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Old 08-07-2004, 09:00 PM   #3
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Actually he told me he would probably buy several large buckets and use the water purifier to prepare the water and let it sit - then add the water slowly.

He said most of the fish in the tank are 6-7 years old, so he must being doing something right. I'm sure I'll hit him up for plenty of advice, but thought I'd get some suggestions here.
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:29 PM   #4
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Can't you get the water that's already in the tank?
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:37 PM   #5
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INdeed this site will be a good resource. I was implying that you could find out what schedule the previous owner did things in so you could try to match that as best you could. Those conditions would be what all the items in the tank have become accustom to.

How far is it between his place and yours? Allow a full day for teardown, transport and setup. Plan the location of the tank in advance and make sure the floor is good and sturdy as well as the ample electrical service. Try to find a spot where its not in direct sunlight or where there is a heat/ac return.

Your first post is sounding like your not going to keep two tanks up and running. What I would suggest is transfering as much water from the old setup as you can when you move the tank. Again the reasoning is that this is the water the tank is used to. Thus the stress of the teardown, transport and setup will be less. Inevetably you will lose some water in transport so have 20-30 gal ready to go. I would personally use new saltwater vs saltwater from a cycling tank.

I think you will find the larger tank easier to maintain than the smaller tank in the long run aswell. If you go the route of slowly filling the tank back up you need to find a place for the live rock and the substrate while your doing this. Unless teh RO unit is a large 100GPD model its gonna take at least two days to fill that tank back up in addition to mixing up the salt and brining it up to temperature. By using the old water your able to have it up and running with the substrate and rock in the same day its tore down.

Try to arrange a few friends to help you as this is going to be alot of heavy lifting. Never try to move more than 5 gal of water at a time. Use pumps and hoses to aid in draining the tank into some large 50gal plastic drums or use several rubbermaid tubs. Put the rock in the tubs and have hem covered in water but dont fill the tubs more than 1/2 full. Remember the water and the rock will make those tubs fiarly heavy and the last thing you want is to rip a handle off or have the bottom bust out of one.
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Well, I'm picking up the tank on the opposite side of Chicago, maybe a 2 hour drive with traffic. Not to mention my little ¼ ton pickup probably won't do too well with the tank, rock, stand, and 1,000 lbs of water - so I'm probably going to have to limit the amount of water I take.

I'll ask him to save as much water as he can for me though.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to perhaps leave the live rock in buckets (with the old water), set up the new tank with new saltwater and live sand, let it cycle and then transfer the rock to the new tank?

I don't think taking much water is going to be an option, unfortunately. I really don't want to impose on this guy's good nature too much.
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YOu could also check with your LFS around in the area.. There are alot here locally that sell premade SW and ro/di... Thats an option... If you could take enought water to cover the LR and keep it covered for the 2 days or so it took you to fill the tank and get the SG and temp right that would work.. Just make sure you have a heater and powerhead in with the Rocks... I have found that Rubbermaid tubs are good for this... I would also keep some sort of light on the LR if you would like the Rock to stay looking nice... Whatever dies off will come back but it will take a bit of time... Basically I would just fill the tank up with 1.025 sg water heat to about 79F and add the rock... Test it in a few days and make sure all the levels are still the same.. With Cured LR like you have you arent going to have much of a cycle if you even have one at all..

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There is no need to cycle the tank. If you put the old substrate back and the rock you should se minimal ammonia.
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I had a 55 gal salt water tank ,all fish and live rock ,live sand for bottom ,tank has been up and running for a year give or tank
I recently upgraded to a 125 gal tank as my fish out grew the tank ,i used all the sand and live rock from the 55 plus had to add four more bags of sand and 70 gal of new water
for filters I used the emporier 400 that had to bio wheels and a 280 that has one bio wheel ,i put those filters on the 125 and added another 400 with 2 bio wheels
my nitrites are up about 1.0 ,tank it has been swithed over for about 9 days now ,I added some cycle to help but does not seem to work ,at the advise of the fish store I added some prime that I was told would keep the amonia and nitrates from hurting the fish, will still have nitrates and amonia but its to mack it no toxic to the fish ,what should I do?, I don't want to loose any fish
I have a large sail fin tang-a large nasa tang-large unicorn tang-large panther grouper-small clown fish-small huma triger-med dog puffer
help help
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