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Old 09-10-2004, 01:04 PM   #1
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another newbie, many questions

My wife is getting me a SW tank for my birthday, and I'd like to do FOWLR for now. I like goby's, blenny's, chromis, damsels. I know I'll have to live without bigger fish in this tank.

so here's my plan:

54g corner bow front (comes with stand and 2 light hood)
Remora (not pro) HOB
Eheim 2235 canister (ordered before I read this site!) for carbon
Home Depot special tropical playsand
Live rock + base rock
ebo jager 125w heater
two maxijet 900's
RODI on well water

Implementation (subject to change):
Set up tank 6" from one wall and 3.5" from the other
add about 1.5" of rinsed sand
add base rock and powerheads
Fill tank, add salt
run canister filter with floss to clear the water for a few days
Check salinity
cycle tank with a raw shrimp (eww!)
drain half the tank, add live rock and refill
Wait again for the tank to cycle
Add HOB skimmer
Add a few little fish (green chromis?) and a cleaner shrimp
remove canister
weeks later, add a few more fish and critters.

Future plans (phase 2):
build a 20g sump w/overflow box, LR or plants or something. move remora and heater to sump

Questions:
how much sand should I buy? is 100lb enough?

How much rock should I have total? live?

How many fish-inches can I get out of the phase 1 setup?

Several locations are possible for this tank. I have baseboard heat (hot water) and I can either put it in the corner with TWO baseboards or just one. I figure when the heat is on, it will help keep it 77f, even though the house will be 72 or so. Or will this make it too hot?

Am I missing anything major? Is anything in my plan out of order?
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:32 AM   #2
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If I would do it over again I would have gotten my tank drilled and went for the sump from the beginning. Alot of folks have trouble with overflows so be careful. I wouldn't recommend you move a HOB skimmer to the sump as they need a constant water level to be efficient.

Your phase 1 sounds fine. I started my tank with a few green chromis and a cleaner shrimp about a week later. I have around 120lbs of sand in my 46g and it gives me about 4". Check out the sand bed calculator on this site. Around 80 lbs of LR is probably where you will want to be when your done. I would skip the damsel and go for a clown instead as they may terrorize the more peaceful Chromis. Good luck.
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Old 09-11-2004, 03:24 AM   #3
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Hey Jaiden welcome to the boards!! I am still a big n00b when it comes to SaltWater tanks. I have a 46gal tank and i added about 30# of sand...As you can see from the pic I think it gave me enough...Phases99 tank looks sweet with that sand however I tried to stay under $40 for the substrate (got each bag for $18.99).

Have fun with your tank!!
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Why cycle the tank twice? Add the LR when ou add the shrimp. Also, I think you can add the skimmer during the cycle.

I haven't started my tank yet, but when I do, I plan on adding LR, sand, and skimmer before the shrimp. HTH
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Seems like a good plan Jaiden. I am too noob to really comment. I understand the phasing is a cost consideration. The suggestions you have received about doing LR and sump in phase 1 are good, but they drive up your startup cost. For my new tank I will consider drilling tank in phase 1 as that is sonething that cannot be done afterwards without starting out all over again.
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:53 PM   #6
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double cycling

I was thinking that it would help to have some bacteria built up in case there was a lot of dead junk on the rock that would need to be broken down. I don't want to overload the rock before it gets a chance to seed the base rock and the sand
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Re: double cycling

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I was thinking that it would help to have some bacteria built up in case there was a lot of dead junk on the rock that would need to be broken down. I don't want to overload the rock before it gets a chance to seed the base rock and the sand
Exactly. If you add your LR to a tank that is already cycled you will minimize the spike which will allow more of the life on the rock to survive.
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Exactly. If you add your LR to a tank that is already cycled you will minimize the spike which will allow more of the life on the rock to survive.
When you put it that way, good plan jaiden.

I am glad I found this site. I will be a pro before I even get my tank home
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Old 09-13-2004, 01:13 PM   #10
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Plans for rock

After checking out hirocks.com, I think I'm going to go this route to start. 60lb of this stuff, 50lb play sand, two max 900 powerheads and a couple raw shrimp to get the tank going.

The way I understand it, this rock will function as a bio filter, it just won't be as pretty till I seed it with some LR later.

I won't have the lighting to really grow coralline yet anyway. I figure I can add some LR seed rock (20 lb maybe) and as much lighting as I can afford (not much) in a month or two.

I also think I won't need the skimmer until then either. 60lb plus 50lb sand should be enough to support a couple small fish in the meantime right?

I can put bio media in the canister filter and run that to help out... Am I right that canisters are only bad for corals? Or are they really not good for SW at all?

Thanks for your help so far everyone!
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