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Old 07-15-2003, 12:16 AM   #1
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Aquarium Dilemma

(for those not interested in reading, I tried to mark out specific questions w/ #ís)

I live in Hawaii, and anyone who has lived in Hawaii knows that the regulations on owning an aquarium are so heavy and thick, that they basically deter people away from creating a successful tank (a double edged sword). And rightfully so, although thatís another story completely, and Iíll keep that brief.

I completely understand the importance of making it known that Iím following every Hawaiian law and regulation, and that I have the utmost respect for these laws and regulations. The laws and regulations in say, somewhere like Florida, may not exactly match up with the laws in Hawaii.

Seeing as how very little is imported, very little information about advanced aquarium keeping in Hawaii is known. Hawaii is pretty much king to crushed coral substrate with gravel filters and biowheel filtration systems. I want to part from my previous ways of aquarium keeping, and try something Iíll have a little more success with, and will also be much more rewarding. However, this means much of my aquarium will have to be done unconventionally, and will likely take a little longer to do. But time is not an immediate concern (5-6 years down the line, maybe ).

So I ask the members of Aquarium Advice, to help me a tad here and a tad there, to help me form my tank, basically from scratch. I have two 55gallonís sitting in my house Ė I decided to start out in the middle ground as far as size is concerned, because I donít want a 100+ gallon disaster.

Iíve talked w/ FishFreek previously in AAís chat, and heís been very helpful, we came up with several solutions for things such as live rock and live sand, which cannot be purchased online.

My live rock will eventually become live rock, itíll be base rock seeded w/ ocean algae .. and my sandbed, will be seeded w/ live sand from the ocean, preferably a decent amount off shore of course. (1.) I came to realize though, that itís not likely Hawaii has imported sand, and the sand offered at hardware stores is left outside all day, and shoveled either into bags or into the back of your truck when itís bought. Assuming I go there and the sand doesnít look horribly dirty and what not, will this suffice? Is there a way to wash the sand?

Secondly, my cleanup crew. Due to the fact that sand is not commonly used in Aquariums in Hawaii, itíll be difficult to form a cleanup crew. (2.) Snails and Blennies/Gobies can be acquired, will this suffice, or will I need hermit crabs and the like as well?

Does anyone have experience with the following species of Blennies/Gobies? I assume the majority of Blennies/Gobies feed heavily on algae and these are some species that I can likely get a hold of.

1. Scarface Blenny (Cirripectes vanderbilti) (this would probably be my preferred choice, although Iíve seen several big ones in the wild, and perhaps the several fish books I own are wrong when they list itís size)
2. Zebra Blenny (Istiblennius zebra)
3. Golden Green Goby (Priolepis aureoviridis)

(Iíll list several more if the above wonít do the job of a cleaner effectively)

(3.) Do cleaner shrimp put enough of a dent in the waste to be relied on?

The last thing I want is a slop of a sandbed due to the fact that itís not being properly cleaned.

Anyway, I felt Iíve already said a bit too much. Iíd be thrilled if I at least stirred some interest and could get some help. Any and all advice will be helpful. And instead of making multiple threads, Iíll keep all my questions to one thread. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

I apologize for itís length, but itís not something that can be covered in several sentences :P
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Old 07-15-2003, 12:23 AM   #2
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Ok, read it all and it sounds like you are on a short chain over there...

1.) sounds like this sand is not really what you want for a tank, can you not take sand from the ocean? I imagine it is nice and white there.

2.) Snails will do a good job, try and get nassarius for the sandbed. Gobies are actually going to add to the waste, although they are a cool fish...

3.) No, not really, they are like the gobies, more of just a cool looking shrimp than a cleaner. They are called cleaners because they pick parasites off fish

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Old 07-15-2003, 10:00 AM   #3
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WuRtZLeSs,

As I was reading through your post, one thing came to mind. Check out this mail order vendor - Indo-Pacific Sea Farms. They are quite reputable in the marine/reef hobby, sell several algae grazers (trochus, turbo, & strombus snails included), as well as live sand activator kits. Most importantly, they are located in Hawaiii.

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Assuming I go there and the sand doesnít look horribly dirty and what not, will this suffice? Is there a way to wash the sand?
I would get as much offshore sand as is possible - this is likely your best bet. If you need to use bagged/hardware sand, try to find something that is marketed as "sterilized" - or at least a child's playsand - it's most likely to be clean. I'd try to run a magnet through it to make sure you aren't getting any heavy metals with it.

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Snails and Blennies/Gobies can be acquired, will this suffice, or will I need hermit crabs and the like as well?
There are many hermit-less reef tanks out there, and many ppl prefer their tanks "clawless". As long as you have a good variety of snails, and other algae-grazers, you should be fine.

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Do cleaner shrimp put enough of a dent in the waste to be relied on?
Cleaner shrimp tend to clean parasites off fish, and are very useful in that respect, but I would not rely on them as detritus eaters - critters that will actually "clean" the rocks/algae, etc. in the tank. Mostly they will scavenge on leftover food, and keep your fish parasite-free.

Thanks for providing all the information that you did up front. HTH a little!
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Old 07-17-2003, 04:19 AM   #4
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Hey Ė

Thanks for the help; itís definitely appreciated.

ReefLady, thanks for the link Ė Iíll look into it, probably give them a ring.

I went to Home Depot today, where I came across some locally packed sand. I came across ĎPro-Pak Basalt Sandí which is black, and ĎPro-Pak Coral Sandí which is more white/yellow. This looked like the stuff. Itís not Southdown, but think itíll be a substitute? I can get sand straight from the ocean, but in all honesty, bringing up 150lbs of sand isnít exactly my idea of fun

I also came across Silica based sand, which I should avoid Ė correct?

Butterflyfish are omnivores... theyíd probably make quick work out of any and all snails in the tank. Is there a third substitute cleaner?

And lastly, does anyone know of any sites w/ blueprints for sumps?

Once again, thanks a lot for any and all help.
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About the sand, as long as it is clean, and free of contaminants (heavy metals), you should be okay. Make sure it says it's "sanitized". I'd still tend to try to collect as much offshore sand as I could - IMO, just a *way* better option.

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This is pretty much old school thinking - though aragonite sand is still recommended, and I prefer it (mostly due to grain shape), there are many many sucessful reefs out there which are using silica sand. It does not leach dangerous levels of silica into your water (as previously thought).

Can't help you on the sump part - we just use a 100g Rubbermaid stock tank.

Good luck!
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Butterflyfish are omnivores... theyíd probably make quick work out of any and all snails in the tank. Is there a third substitute cleaner?
I've never seen a Butterfly fish eat a snail, corals and anemones, but not snails

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Haven't looked for sumps, but www.ozreef.org is a DIY goldmine I would be totally shocked if they didn't either have plans for sumps, or links to plans for sumps on their site.
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