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Old 04-29-2011, 10:20 AM   #51
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No it didn't what is says is to put the bag in the tank and cut it and pour it in, in big letters it says Do Not Mix the Grunge In With Your Already Existing Sand Bed. and then in another paragragh it again says not to mix in with the sand for the sand will become toxic .

I obviously did not mix it in. My ammonia is down to .5 this morning. and the tank is just about clear again.

I'm assuming this is not enough of an ammonia spike to cycle my tank, should I still add fresh shrimp I haven't done that yet ?
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:22 PM   #52
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you could wait a few days to see if you get another ammonia spike, if not add a shrimp.

have you done tests for nitrites and nitrates yet?
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that sounds a bit ridiculous. don't mix it with your sand or it will become toxic, but it won't if you just pour it in? i'd like to hear the reasoning and chemistry behind that!
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i can understand why they say don't mix it in the sand. like a dsb it can decompose and it could turn to hydrogen sulfide but at the same time soemone once said they it solidifys once it hits water
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if that was the case, as soon as you drop it in the tank, before you even manage to get it to the sand bed, it would solidify.
so, "BACTERIA AND OTHER ORGANISMS FROM THE FINEST MARINE AQUARIUMS THAT WE HAVE KEPT DURING THE LAST TWENTY YEARS." as quoted from the garf website, will solidify when they hit water?
how?
why?
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:53 AM   #56
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lol i have no idea how hydrogen solfide solidifies

i was not saying that the grunge itself would but i'm saying if mixed into the sand bed it could trap organics under the sand bed which could cause the toxic gas pockets to form. i probably didn't explain myself properly and i apologize for it
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i dunno. i'm trying to learn this too. what i believe happened is that the "grunge" scooped out of their tanks and sent to the OP had a lot of die-off in it from the trip inside the bottle/bag and caused a spike.
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isn't that what its supposed to do? or is it supposed to seed bacteria growth?
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well the spike from the grunge never went higher than 1.0 it dropped to 0 the next day without creating nitrites at all.

So on top of that I did put the shrimp in on Saturday evening. I checked ammonia levels yesterday it was still 0

Today I did a full set of parameters

Temp is 78.9
SG 1.023
Ph 8.0
kh was at 10 drops (api)
ammonia .25-.50
nitrites .25
nitrates 80+
phosphate 2.0 +
calcium is still really high like 500 ( im not sure Im doing that test right still)

How high should or do I let the ammonia rise too ? Do I take the shrimp out at some point?

Right now they look like the skin membrane around them is swollen and ready to explode hahha or almost a fuzzy appearance around them.
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Ohhh and I do have lots of cool little feathery looking tiny tubes all over my rocks and glass since I put the grunge in. My husband and I are noticing more and more each day.

Also since we have decided to stick with the canister filter and the HOB refugium we replaced all the media in the canister filter with live rock. In an attempt to reduce nitrate makers.

Now Carbon ... ??? should I put a filter bag of it somewhere or no ?
and what do I do with those phosphates ? Will they go away with water changes or do I need to add something ? I also have a tentitive fish/invert list Ill get that up in a few days to start to review that with everyone.
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