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Old 08-26-2003, 11:50 AM   #11
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Why would it really matter if it came from a reef tank ?

If one does not plan to Keep a Reef Tank and merely a Fish with live Rock tank would it matter?
Fish tanks, in LFS usually use copper based meds to keep the ICH population down or to eraticate it... This in turn will kill any or all beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, etc, that make LS what it is.. Secondly, adding this to a fish only tank, would not do any harm except for maybe leaching the copper out into the water, but, it would not be technically LS if all of the inhabitants are dead. Defeats the purpose.

If gotten out of a Reef Tank, chances are they are not using copper to treat, and the life would be abundant. This would be beneficial LS to add even to a fish only tank.

The choice is ultimately yours whether or not to buy LS from the LFS. After a few months, brand new sand will be live anyway... LS added speeds up the process..
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Sorry I do not have any pictures to send. But really it is fairly simple. You can get the PVC from HD or any other HW store. Just look for a short section of 2" gray Sch. 80 PVC. This is very common and used by electricians running mains and feeder circuits. If you are going to use a 4" base, just use a hacksaw and cut 4" lengths of the PVC. Based on your aquascaping, use enough legs to fully and stably support your rocks. Use a marine epoxy to glue these onto the base rock when you are happy with your dry run setups (sort of like setting up a model Now, as far as setting up the LR, this is where your personal taste comes into play, you may want a reef wall setup or an atoll set up with a lagoon in the middle. Get some reference books and you should see some ideas there, or look at some of the set ups from the members here for ideas too. Build the structure so that it is sound but not compact, leave lots of little holes and spaces for water circulation. Again, use marine epoxy to cement together once you are satisfied. Remember do not place it all the way against the back glass, leave room for circulation. The idea here is to avoid any "dead" areas in the tank. Once you have built the Base Rock, build it in mind of placing the additional LR on top. The beauty of using the Base Rock is that you can work dry and even outside the tank using a template of your tank shape, before you ever put it into the tank Once the design is complete then you will need to add the sand base (nothing live yet until you have conditioned SW). Then its adding the water, bringing it to temp and adjusting the salinity. Note that you should not fill the tank all the way to the top as you will have displacement of water when you add the LR. Final step is to add the LR and if you feel comfortable with the stability, leaving it to sit on the Base Rock, or whip out that old marine epoxy which will work underwater. Maker sure you are keeping the LR in the water to prevent any die-offs (though unlikely in a short time). Again, if you want a good reference book see the recommended list in this forum. Hope this all makes sense and helps. 8)
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I like your theory. Rushing isn't a good thing. However, I have to ask: why couldn't you add LR, dry rock and dry sand and let the LR organisms convert the sand to LS?
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Because the LS contains a host of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria that works on converting the nitrate. This is different than the LR which is populated mainly with many various forms of photosynthetic algae. So just like you cannot have LS populating the base rock, it goes the other way too. Hope that answers your question!! 8)
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Man you guys are great.. .. Thanks for all the help
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IMO, Sam is mostly right but I want to make a couple points.

The bacteria (in terms of that needed for the nitrogen cycle) can come from anywhere. The bacteria can go from LR to LS and from LS to LR without trouble.

The types of critters in LR are certianly different to some extent, but there will be some critters that live in both LR and LS.

that being said, you will have the most success by having as diverse a system as possible. Getting LR AND LS gives you two different sources of critters to establish your system. Getting a few pounds of each from a couple different stores, if possible, is a great step towards diversity.

That is why, IMO, it is important to seed your system with both LR and LS (and preferably from multiple sources).
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Thanks for the expansion BZ. Trying to keep it simple
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