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Old 09-01-2013, 07:19 PM   #11
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Again, thank you for the replies! This is so difficult for me, I know the fish I want and I know you are all so much more experienced than me in keeping marine tanks! I so want to upgrade my tank already but I can't due to space limitations :'( I know I sound so immature and selfish, although I am taking all your advice and knowledge on board I think with the types of fish I can keep, I am just going to learn the hard way to begin with! I will keep the fish all well fed and am buying them as small as I can get them, as soon as I feel they are to big for my tank they will be going right back to my LFS and new juveniles will be purchased! When my artificial reef insert arrives I will definitely look into adding more live rock to the tank! How much would you say to add, I don't want to cover my tank in the stuff! Also an experienced tank keeper down my LFS told me he has put live rock in his filter and recommended I did the same when my tank begins to mature a bit more! He now has a stunning tank with crystal clear water and has he external filter filled with live rock! What are your takes on this?

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Old 09-01-2013, 07:31 PM   #12
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Your tank is doomed for failure. The tangs will not live long term. The mandarin will also slowly starve to death. My take is that you should listen to the posters here who are only trying to help.
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Old 09-01-2013, 07:43 PM   #13
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I know they're trying to help and I'm not slating them for that. I am looking into getting smaller tangs, my LFS have said they can order me a mandarin that is already on frozen foods so feeding should not be so difficult. Although I am new to all of this, I am doing my research before I just go doing absolutely anything to my tank! I am making sure my water levels are right and adjusting them accordingly! I am researching and asking questions on topics I feel I need to know more about! I am not just letting the information given to me fly over my head, I am taking it in and am looking for alternative options! What sort of fish would be recommended to me to stock in my sized tank and how many fish? I currently have 2 Percula clowns, a coral beauty, a royal gramma and 2 cleaner shrimp. The green mandarin who is already eating frozen foods is being ordered in for me aswell!

Sorry to seem so stubborn, but I'm sure you know how it is with your first tank haha! Some lessons can only be learnt the hard way although I am trying to avoid that!

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The ORA mandarins that come in on frozen foods don't always stay on frozen foods. As a matter of fact, I've seen plenty of threads where people were upset that they didn't.

Ok. I wouldn't keep a tang in a tank your size. If you picked a tiny Kole or Scopus, that would be ok short term, but in a year or so you'd have to find a place for it and catching it may be a pain.
The size of the tank doesn't dictate how many fish in salt water.....the type of fish must be considered as well. Some are open water swimmers while others stay close to the rock bottom, and stay small. the latter are the type you need. The open water swimmers will be stressed in a closed system of that size and immune systems will weaken. Their stress will show up in disease, or parasites like ich.
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That's handy to know, if I have any problems with my mandarin my LFS have agreed to take him back on half credit, I know I may lose out on some money but I'm more than willing to give it a try. Also, if the fish are open swimmers, I need to look for smaller species? Won't having cleaner shrimps help counter-act parasites on fish? I am planning on having quite a few shrimps, my current understanding is that shrimp bring nothing but benefits to the tank.

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No. Cleaner shrimp don't really help with parasites. Occasionally you may see them pick on a fish if they feel like it and the fish allows it, but do not count on that.
I don't like shrimp much because they steal the food from my LPS corals when I feed them. To me, they aren't a benefit at all.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:08 PM   #17
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I don't have corals at the moment and as much as I would love to have them, don't feel ready just yet to have them!
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Then cleaner shrimp are pretty cool, but again, do not count on them as a miracle elixir to fish parasites. They are not that.

Also consider that most local fish stores are out to sell things. Many do not give the very best advice.
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Yeah, that thought often crosses my mind but they are such genuine guys in there and know I'll be spending my money in their store regardless anyway on things such as RO water for my changes and all my fish because they were a big help when it came to setting up the tank and did it all free of charge aswell! So that ofter counteracts the doubt! I want a few more cleaner shrimps and a couple of fire shrimp to really lighten up the tank! Them things are wicked!
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Then cleaner shrimp are pretty cool, but again, do not count on them as a miracle elixir to fish parasites. They are not that.

Also consider that most local fish stores are out to sell things. Many do not give the very best advice.
Sometimes there are people that already know everything they need to know about everything .
I know I have had my tank set up for almost a year ,
I have made a few mistakes and have a lot to learn still but knowing something will die or is doomed for failure would convince me to think of a alternative .
The message I'm getting is this person is asking for help but doesn't think we are right knowing experience means more than some kid a a local fish store getting paid minimum wage as a sales person .
There are many web sites books and literature available and the only thing I can say is read a lot and be patient !
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