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Old 07-08-2011, 11:54 AM   #1751
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lol im up to date on pico i just read no comment i feel i cant help there (to little water for me lol) i dont want to go off topic il go breathe life into my sw thread and ask what to get
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:57 AM   #1752
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Carey, I agree with you that there are LOTs of different opinions. Lots of "experts" do things that sound crazy. But, here are two caveats to that on the dilemma of QT.

Maybe they see no need to Qt. Maybe THEY have never had an outbreak like this, because they've been super lucky. It doesn't happen to everyone. Or Maybe they have a supplier that QT's for them. We have an LFS near us that does. Maybe they keep their tank at a lower SG and disease isn't able to get a foothold. So many variables and the thing to remember is... In the end this isn't their tank. Their experiences are going to be completely different than yours. That doesn't make anyone wrong.

Second... There is no doubt about the role that experience plays in this hobby. A lot of these "experts" will tell you that they can get away with things that inexperienced people shouldn't even try. They know the fish and the coral and and pick out superior specimens. They know exactly what they can get away with and can't and can push boundaries that could make newer tanks fail. They can recognize signs, that new folks miss, much faster and avoid the complete disasters.

When we decided to get out tank, my husband and I started picking up every bit of knowledge we could. We window shopped for years and read text by every conceivable expert. Two of my absolute favorites are Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner. We cruised lots of forums and read lots of information. We took every bit of advice and then formulated an opinion on it. And then we decided what WE thought made sense. And that's the big magic moment.

YOU need to take in all the information and pick out the pieces that work for you, that make the BEST sense to you. That is what every one of the "experts" did and that's how they became "experts". They came up with a system that works in their tanks, in their special situations and have made it work for years.

This "difference in opinions" is found on every facet of reef keeping. What food is best, what light is best, whether or not to QT... Blah blah blah. On each side there are countless success stories and it boils down to this. There is more than one way to skin a cat... Err fish.. Ah never mind you get my drift. There is no right or wrong answer. Folks do what works for them. And if it works for them... That is wonderful! But it doesn't take very long to look around and see someone say "that doesn't work and this is what it did to my tank". Follow your gut and decide what make sense to YOU. You went with no QT, added fish and got seriously burnt. QT now makes good sense to you. For whatever reason you do not appear to have the puzzle pieces needed to run your tank without QT. And that is what it is. Not right, not wrong. Just tried and true experience in YOUR tanks. Welcome to the road to "expertise"
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:03 PM   #1753
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Maya, that is one of the most concise and helpful responses I've read. it really is my decision, being that it is my tank. i just have to get a better feel for it which will come in time. I'd give you rep, but it wont let me. lol

I still think I will QT, maybe have the shop hold them for a week or 2 then hold them in my qt for a week or two. That sounds like a solid plan to me. If I had qt'ed that tang this thread would be a lot shorter.

The experts are just that because they have tried and experienced alot of things so their knowledge base is greater. I hope to get to that place one day.

For now I'm letting my tank settle down, I MAY, not for sure , add the oscellaris clowns from my cube one day soon. I bought a watchman for the cube and he's getting harassed by the clowns.

I appreciate the time and effort that you took to respond. makes me feel better about my decisions.
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I'm glad it helped. I see a lot of folks get very frustrated with so many different opinions out there. We are used to a right and wrong answer and there just isn't one here. What works for one guy doesn't always work for another and a lot of folks give up before they realize that their situation is unique. Not like anyone else's because nobody exactly replicates their exact circumstances. Every "expert" stood in your shoes, frustrated as all go get out it by a lack of solid answers and then they made it work.

Think of the forum as a place to brainstorm before your write your own story. Here is where you gather your research but your tank is where you write your own plot. Good luck!
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Carey, I agree with you that there are LOTs of different opinions. Lots of "experts" do things that sound crazy. But, here are two caveats to that on the dilemma of QT.

Maybe they see no need to Qt. Maybe THEY have never had an outbreak like this, because they've been super lucky. It doesn't happen to everyone. Or Maybe they have a supplier that QT's for them. We have an LFS near us that does. Maybe they keep their tank at a lower SG and disease isn't able to get a foothold. So many variables and the thing to remember is... In the end this isn't their tank. Their experiences are going to be completely different than yours. That doesn't make anyone wrong.

Second... There is no doubt about the role that experience plays in this hobby. A lot of these "experts" will tell you that they can get away with things that inexperienced people shouldn't even try. They know the fish and the coral and and pick out superior specimens. They know exactly what they can get away with and can't and can push boundaries that could make newer tanks fail. They can recognize signs, that new folks miss, much faster and avoid the complete disasters.

When we decided to get out tank, my husband and I started picking up every bit of knowledge we could. We window shopped for years and read text by every conceivable expert. Two of my absolute favorites are Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner. We cruised lots of forums and read lots of information. We took every bit of advice and then formulated an opinion on it. And then we decided what WE thought made sense. And that's the big magic moment.

YOU need to take in all the information and pick out the pieces that work for you, that make the BEST sense to you. That is what every one of the "experts" did and that's how they became "experts". They came up with a system that works in their tanks, in their special situations and have made it work for years.

This "difference in opinions" is found on every facet of reef keeping. What food is best, what light is best, whether or not to QT... Blah blah blah. On each side there are countless success stories and it boils down to this. There is more than one way to skin a cat... Err fish.. Ah never mind you get my drift. There is no right or wrong answer. Folks do what works for them. And if it works for them... That is wonderful! But it doesn't take very long to look around and see someone say "that doesn't work and this is what it did to my tank". Follow your gut and decide what make sense to YOU. You went with no QT, added fish and got seriously burnt. QT now makes good sense to you. For whatever reason you do not appear to have the puzzle pieces needed to run your tank without QT. And that is what it is. Not right, not wrong. Just tried and true experience in YOUR tanks. Welcome to the road to "expertise"
Well stated maya... I myself can relate I just added my last fish.. and found out 4 days later I have ich.. havnt added a fish in monthes.
O well u learn right?
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+1 maya... Your post gives a concrete explaination of our hobby and the search for "right and wrong" answers. Idk honestly Carey, there's got to be a way to have your water tested for any diseases. You know how humans catch the 24 hour stomach bug, kinda sounds like whatever hit your fish, only resulting in death. It killed off fish quickly but also burned out quickly. Ultimately I hope that this is a sort of humbling experience for you. You've been through this now and now have better lknowledge and understanding of it. Obviously, you will be a proponent of qt'ing fro$ now on.
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As to using the 55 for a qt it would be expensive to dose meds or any other treatment. Dad didn't want to qt the new fish until I told him what happened to your tank guess who's on board now. Sorry to hear about the fish x
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As to using the 55 for a qt it would be expensive to dose meds or any other treatment. Dad didn't want to qt the new fish until I told him what happened to your tank guess who's on board now. Sorry to hear about the fish l
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Yep, I'm on the fence with the 55g. If the fish turned up sick I could move it from the 55g to a 10g for treatment. Just a hassle to move the fish I guess. Theres only CUC in the 55g rightnow so they can't really catch anything if the fish were sick plus I am selling the setup some time soon. Maybe after re-stocking this tank?
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