Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 03-31-2005, 02:46 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK, LEICESTER
Posts: 64
cycle questions.......is my LFS giving good advice?

hi,

130 gallon tank
30 gallon sump

i have had my tank cycling with a shrimp for i week now. i introduced 40kg of live rock on day 2.

i did the tests on day 5 and they were:

ammonia .2
nitrite .3
PH 7.6

how long should it take for my ammonia and nitirte to peak, and at what sort of levels. also, my PH is really low, should i try to increase it now?

My LFS has told me that because i have put fully cured live rock in the tank will not go through a cycle. is he correct? he said that i can introduce fish and corals straight away, building the load up slowly.

the LFS is well established and well respected, they have a very good setup.

this is their theory:

day 1 - add water salt and let stabilize
day 3 - add fully cured live rock (lots of it)
day 6 - add corals
day 9 - add a couple of fish

then every month add a couple of fish slowly building up the biop load.

i'll do a couple more tests tonight day 7.

regards

Mark
__________________

__________________
thepirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 02:50 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Panama City Beach, FL
Posts: 547
Re: cycle questions.......is my LFS giving good advice?

Quote:
Originally Posted by thepirate
My LFS has told me that because i have put fully cured live rock in the tank will not go through a cycle. is he correct?
'Tis true. You did the shrimp thing though, so you will have a cycle.

Quote:
day 1 - add water salt and let stabilize
day 3 - add fully cured live rock (lots of it)
day 6 - add corals
day 9 - add a couple of fish
I disagree with adding the coral. I would just skip day six and put day 9 in its place. You have a skimmer, thus you will not have a lot of waste, that is what corals eat. Add the fish first, make sure they are doing good, then in a month add the coral.

Keep in mind this is just my opinion. I am not an expert.
__________________

__________________
JPloman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 04:43 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: East Windsor, NJ
Posts: 254
Your pH should be 8.1 -8.4 so yes it needs to be raised. Do you have a glass cover over tank? If you do you need to open CO2 may be building up lowering pH.
Pretty sure your still cycling. Nitrite should be zero at end of cycle. dont rush it.
I would not put corals in first they require the best water quality. Snails & hermits are my first choice (cheap, clean algae and debris, low bioload).
Have you made a list of fish you want and checked compatibility. First fish should be most docile.
__________________
EJS4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 04:57 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: So-Cal
Posts: 640
I too would add a cleaning crew first and wait a couple more weeks before anything else. Take the cover off. Your pH needs to stay above 8.0

I have a three month old setup and I learned from some mistakes. Even if your NO3's read 0, I'd wait two weeks after that to add fish. It was in that two week period, after all the bad stuff 0, that I lost several fish - one at a time.

I'm convinced that even when ammonia and nitrites read 0, that your tank still needs to mature before fish can thrive well. Now, I have chromis, clowns and blennies that love it. Several soft corals as well. Sure wish I'd waited those two weeks.
__________________
55 gallon
dual 175 MH w/ dual 32W PC Actinics
75# LR
runway1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 04:59 PM   #5
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: So-Cal
Posts: 640
Correction; meant NO2's (nitites), not NO3's.
__________________
55 gallon
dual 175 MH w/ dual 32W PC Actinics
75# LR
runway1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 06:21 PM   #6
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK, LEICESTER
Posts: 64
thanks guys,

i'll take that advice at wait until everything has settled down. i've ran out of money anyway!!

how do i rasie the PH.

i brought the PH issue up in the shop and they said that becasue i had used RO to fill the tank most of the minerals had been removed. they said that i should add a mineral additive to the RO and this will bring my PH back up and also act as a buffer.

by the way i have used aragonite sand in my set up, will this affect it in any way?

once again cheers for the help.

mark
__________________
thepirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 07:20 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 485
Send a message via AIM to badfish
Quote:
Originally Posted by EJS4
Your pH should be 8.1 -8.4 so yes it needs to be raised. Do you have a glass cover over tank? If you do you need to open CO2 may be building up lowering pH.

I too have a low PH of 7.9. My tank is 2 1/2 weeks into cycle and i have a glass canopy over my tank. Should i lift the cover for a certain amount of time a day? I have a cat so i need the glass canopy on, can i just lift it for a couple hours a day? If so how long? Anything else i should be doing

TIA.
__________________
50 Gallon Oceanic: 2 maxijet 1200's, 2 150 watt visitherm heaters, BakPak II Skimmer with PS & BT, Coralife Lunar 2X65 watt Power Compacts

Filtration: 50lbs LR.com, 60lbs sand

Swimmers: 2 O. Clowns, Yellow Watchman, Firefish, Yellow Tang, Dottyback.

Clean-Up: Several snail & hermits, Skunk Cleaner, 2 Peps.

Corals: 2 zoo colonies, yellow polyps, star polyps
badfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 07:23 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Rocky Mount VA
Posts: 943
Replace the glass with lighting eggcrate to allow for gas exchange. If you are still cycling I would not worry much as the pH is not stable through this time
Quote:
said that i should add a mineral additive to the RO
Using a good salt mix will be adding the only things needed.
__________________
Vote for AquariumAdvice

28gal bowfront
40lbs livesand(bag from LFS), 30lbs live rock(LR.com)
2 O. Clowns
1 peppermint shrimp, 5 red leg hermit crabs,
4 mexican turbo snails, 15 nassarius snails
ricordea mushroom, candy cane coral,
super color polyps, hairy mushrooms
bubble coral, hawiian feather duster
coralife lunar 2x65, HOT magnum canister
10 Gal refugium(chaeto) & seaclone skimmer
RMPD109 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 08:13 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK, LEICESTER
Posts: 64
i do not have the sump or the tank covered.

i use kent marine salt.

so, i don't need to add these mineral additives to my tank right now? i'm fed up with being told a load of old cobblers by shops.

so i shouldn't worry about my PH right now then.

cheers

mark
__________________
thepirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 09:39 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,111
I wouldn't worry about anything but watching the cycle at this stage. Your pH will go up and down (especially depending on where you are in the light cycle and how you're testing), your Alk and Ca will do some crazy flip flops until you're diatoms have come and gone. Waiting it out is the best course. If you're "not going to have a cycle" you'll know in a week or so anyway.

As for corals, I certainly wouldn't add corals knowing that the end of the cycle is all but sure to leave you with nitrates in the 30-40 range. That's the last thing that your corals want. I'd wait until after the major water change before adding them. The longer your tank has been up the more you'll know your tank and how often you need to do water changes in order to keep your trates in check.

Sounds like you're doing all the right things in *spite* of your LFS. Kudos to you!
__________________

__________________
Phyllis

Join the NJ Reef Club Today! Saving the world's reefs one living room at a time!
MACNA XXI Atlantic City, NJ September 25-27, 2009
Phyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cycle, lfs

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LFS Recommends SW Fish Cycle Tank2379 Saltwater Reef Aquaria 10 12-28-2008 08:34 PM
platy giving birth to fry as i type... would need some help with my questions please nanookbear1 Freshwater & Brackish - Breeding 8 10-10-2008 07:05 PM
Angry LFS Employee (Giving away my goldfish) (long) jbarr Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 52 10-02-2006 12:21 PM
LFS giving bad advice??? pancho Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 5 08-31-2006 10:31 AM
A first for me, a lfs with good advice Zagz Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 21 07-27-2005 11:39 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.