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Old 01-23-2007, 01:29 AM   #1
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Hi , Im new to saltwater. Ive had my 55 gallon tank up for 31/2 weeks now. I have 2 damsels and a shrimp in there, thanks to a fish store giving me wrong info. I have 20 lbs of cured live rock. I also have live sand. Will this cycle my tank. It seems like i keep reading about uncured live rock and dont know if i put the right stuff in. also can i now add a raw shrimp to speed up the cycle, even if i have the fish in the tank. seems like its taking a really long time. My levels are amm o , ni2 0.50,ni3 .10, and ph 7.8 any help u can give me, im really confused!!!
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Your PH looks a bit low it should be more like 8.2-8.4. Have you had an ammonia spike at all? How long have the fish been in the tank? I would add a bit more LR. 1.5 to 2.5lbs per gallon for good filtration. What are you using for circulation on the tank? What kind of filter are you using? What is your specific gravity? Should be 1.019 - 1.025 1.023-1.023 is a good place to be. I would not add a raw shrimp as this would give you an ammonia spike and you don't want that!! I'm going to say that you are in the midst of your cycle right now. The live fish method is not perferred by most of us because of the stress it causes the animals. That LFS is looking to make money and not give good information.

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My advice...take the fish back and throw in a shrimp or two. That will cycle your tank. Cycling with the fish is not only not nice to the fish, but sloooooooow. You could have been cycled by now almost if you'd added in more liverock and the shrimp.

Ziggy asked some good questions too. But I just wanted to add that pH won't be correct until after the cycle is done, so I wouldn't even worry about testing it until then.

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WELCOME TO AA!!!

I usually say, "please do not cycle your tank with live animals."

Can you tell us a little more?
What was your highest ammonia reading as well as nitrIte/nitrAte?
Where are they right now?
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I have 20 lbs of cured live rock. I also have live sand. Will this cycle my tank.
If you used more cured LR, (1.5-2Lbs per gallon) you could possibly see a very small or quick cycle. Remember, the "live" really means, it contains the nitrifying bacteria that converts ammonia to nitrItes to nitrAtes.
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also can i now add a raw shrimp to speed up the cycle, even if i have the fish in the tank.
Adding a raw, unseasoned shrimp right now, would cause your ammonia to spike (depending where you are in your cycle) and possibly kill your fish. I just finished cycling my 125G and it took about 6 weeks (I don't think I added enough raw shrimp). A cycle can take at least 4-6 weeks.
My advice, take back the shrimp (I'm surprised he made it this far) and the damsels (they will be a pain to catch once you add more rock) and add a small raw shrimp, then take some readings and post back.
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I second the notion on taking the fish back. In adition to a slower and cruel cycle, you're gonna have 2 fish in there first that may very well stress all newcomers and wreak havoc.

Damsels can be very mean. Got 2 good reasons IMO.
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Hi, Thanks for the quick response. The fish have been in the tank for 2 1/2 weeks. the shrimp for 2 weeks. they seems fine. the shrimp has even molted. Yesterday my am was at 0.0, ni2 was .50, ni3 was .10 . specific gravity is at 1.023, and ph was 7.8 . today am is 0.0, ni2 is 0.0, ni3 is 5.0 and ph is 8.2 I bought more live rock , 10 more ibs and added that today. I do want to catch the damsels and take them back but they are giving me a hard time, and hide as soon as they see the net.
the highest my ammonia has ever been is 0.25. do u think i could be cycled already?
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The cured LR that you put in your tank might have caused it to be a mini cycle but you do not have enough LR in there for a proper biological filtration. As soon as you start adding your Bioload to the tank your filtration will not be able to keep up. And you will experience high levels of ammonia.

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Old 01-23-2007, 05:33 PM   #8
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I only put the live rock in 15 min. before i tested the water. I now have 30 lbs. of live rock in the tank. I know i need more but cant i hold off and let ;my base rock become live rock
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How many total pounds of rock is in your tank? What type of LR do you have?
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58 lbs approx. I dont know what u mean by what type of lr.
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