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Old 07-01-2005, 03:16 PM   #1
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Cycling ETC...

I have read all that I could find about fishless cycling and I think I have a good idea how it is done. I do have a couple questions though.
-Any idea where I can get some ammonia to get the spike started per Dr. Chris Cow's article?
-Are there any fish store gravels that are bad for a first tank. I didnt want to go all out on expensive sand etc.. until I have proved myself on a starter tank.
-Are there any fish or plants that dont mind the cycle.

Thanks in advance for the help. By the way, this site is fantastically helpful.
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:58 PM   #2
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A raw shrimp from you grocery stores fish counter works very well as an ammonia source.
Sand doesn't have to be expensive. Look at your local Home Depot or Lowes stores. Even walmart for tropical playsand. It's used in childrens sand boxes. Check the label to be sure it says agronite sand. You can get this for a few bucks for a 20lb bag.
No need to add fish or plants to a cycling tank and it would be discouraged to do so. It's a very stressful and unhealthy enviroment for them.
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you can also use liverock for cycling the dieoff will start it off
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Old 07-02-2005, 01:06 AM   #5
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just throwing my opinion out there but i would strongly recommend that you start with a sand bed over crushed coral...seems to be easier to take care of and looks so much better. also i did the raw shrimp cycle and just make sure you dont put to much in or your house will reck like a pile of dead shrimp.
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Re: Cycling ETC...

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Are there any fish or plants that dont mind the cycle.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/bio...a/aa042098.htm
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Damsels are about the most hardy fish for cycling. However, they even have a pretty high death rate due to the cycle. You will find yourself doing water changes to keep NH3/NO2 levels at "less then lethal" levels and this will prolong your cycle. The fastest, easiest, and most humane way to cycle is with LR and/or a cocktail shrimp. This will also save you the trouble of having to try to catch the remaining damsels (if any) and returning them to the LFS after the cycle is complete. I would also urge you to use LS substrate as opposed to CC. Just easier. Good luck with the cycle!!
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Old 07-03-2005, 01:14 PM   #8
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Thanks for the advice, I decided to get a 30 lb bag of Carib Sea Argonite sand and will seed that with some live sand I am picking up in a couple days. I am going the fishless shrimp in the tank method and also using Dr Chris Cow's method of adding some pure ammonia everyday to force a spike. In the mean time, I do have another couple questions. I want a Reef with Fish. A couple coral, a couple anemone's and a few fish( 3 or so). Right now I have a 30gal tank with a power head, a power filter, a heater and tap water. I want to add a protein skimmer (prizm?) an RO/DI unit, and lighting. The questions line up like this:

1 - Is using tap water going to ruin my chances for a successful tank even if I use RO/DI water at a later date in water changes?

2 - Is there a difference in LS grain sizes. I just bought a fine white argonite sand today (30 lbs) which I would like to seed with some LS which is a little more coarse.

3 - Does a Reef with fish setup NEED live rock in it?

4 - Anything else you can think of for a Reef with Fish setup.

Thanks for your help!
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125lbs live sand, 100lbs live rock, 2 175W Metal Halide, 1 175W VHO Actinic (so far). Berlin Protein Skimmer in 40 Gallon Sump. 2 Maxi Jet 1200's. 10 Nassarius, 10 mexican turbos, 10 astreas, 20 Blue Leg Hermits, 20 Scarlet Hermits, 5 Emerald crabs, 5 peppermint shrimp. 1 Copper Band butterfly, 2 False Perculas, 1 Javanese Damsel.
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bump for some interesting questions....I was wondering the same thing for #1

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Is using tap water going to ruin my chances for a successful tank even if I use RO/DI water at a later date in water changes?
No. Using tap water will increase your chance of getting unwanted algae. Tap to start and RO/DI for top-offs and water changes should be fine.
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Does a Reef with fish setup NEED live rock in it?
I would say yes. The use of LR in a reef is only going to help keep water parameters high. This is very important for corals. LR also creates the structure for you to set our corals on. It makes for a healthy tank.
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There is really no difference in performance.
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Anything else you can think of for a Reef with Fish setup.
What type of lighting do you have?
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