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Old 10-14-2012, 12:53 AM   #21
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It's not. Are you planning any live rock? I would recommend doing that next after the cycle if you are. Since your tank would be cycled, make sure it's cured if you do. Hmmm...take the damsels out prior to the live rock though because they are boogers to catch.
Is there no live rock?
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:58 AM   #22
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Is there no live rock?
I don't know. I never read anything saying there was. I saw live sand. Did I miss it? LOL!
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Is there no live rock?
Okay...just read again and I don't see mention of any.
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Old 10-14-2012, 01:13 AM   #24
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Okay...just read again and I don't see mention of any.
That would explain why no nitrates are present without rock where would bb grow ?
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Old 10-14-2012, 01:34 AM   #25
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That would explain why no nitrates are present without rock where would bb grow ?
Well, the live sand would provide a place as well as his filtration. You have to figure that there is some bacteria present otherwise 3 weeks worth of ammonia would of killed off his fish a while back. With all that being said, and while I think it's great that the filter provides a place to grow it, he will not be in a good place if something happened to the filter. Personally, I use my live rock as my main source of bioload and anything else is extra. I don't even have sand in one of my tanks and I don't need it because I have a ton of live rock. If he added it now, with nitrites present he will most likely see a lot of die off. I'm thinking his safest bet is to add base rock while in mid cycle and then cured live rock after its complete.
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No live rock, just live sand.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:04 AM   #27
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No live rock, just live sand.
Get some live rock in there before anything else. If you add it after you cycle your gonna create a mini cycle or even a full cycle from die off.

Go shopping and get yourself a few pounds of live rock.

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You ALWAYS want to add the live rock first IMHO, if you fish,goby's etc that like to tunnel,burrow whatever you wanna call it your just asking for trouble. When they start to sift the sand your whole scape is gonna shift and can lead to bad things.

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Convict is right on that note.
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:14 PM   #29
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Get some live rock in there before anything else. If you add it after you cycle your gonna create a mini cycle or even a full cycle from die off.

Go shopping and get yourself a few pounds of live rock.

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You ALWAYS want to add the live rock first IMHO, if you fish,goby's etc that like to tunnel,burrow whatever you wanna call it your just asking for trouble. When they start to sift the sand your whole scape is gonna shift and can lead to bad things.

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Hmmm...I'm by no means saying you are wrong however I've added live rock long after cycling and have never had any mini cycle or even a spike. Now, with that being said, it was cured and I did scrub it well before putting it in. I also didn't add 30lbs at once. It was more like 10 lbs at a time. Maybe it's because I had some in already with established bioload to handle it. If he is still in cycle, and his bioload is not much, from my experience with friends who added mid cycle, they had some die off if their cured live rock. What if he added base rock with a small amount of live rock? That way he can add surface area, seed the base with additional bacteria, and have minimal die off?
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Little less than four weeks, pretty much the same result. Take a look for your self, hopefully I'm not color blind.

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