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Old 06-14-2010, 10:01 AM   #1
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cycling with damsel

My tank that has been cycling for about a week with live rock, I added a yellow tail damsel.

Its been in there for 4 days already, and it is fine from what I can see, it swims, hides, and eats.

my water is about at all the levels it should be at,

Why does everyone say not to use damsels to cycle the tank, will it take some time till mine dies, or will it be fine?

Also I plan on adding 2 clowns by the end of this week. Will the yellow tail damsel be aggressive to the clowns?
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Try to imagine living in a cesspool. Or in a setpic tank. The damsels can live thru the cycling, but imagine having that ammonia go thru your gills if you were a fish.

I'd suggest you remove the damsel now and take him back to the lfs. Add a piece of grocery store shrimp to get the ammonia up.

I hope you have an ammonia and nitrite test kit so you can tell how successful the cycling is - rather than just waiting "4 days".

And yes, there is a good possibility the damsel will bother any new fish you add. Then you get stress. Then someone gets sick. Then all your fish die. OK, maybe not that bad, but the potential for all that to happen is there.

Look into our articles section on cycling SW. You'll see how easy it is to do with a raw grocery store shrimp.
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Why does everyone say not to use damsels to cycle the tank, will it take some time till mine dies, or will it be fine?

Also I plan on adding 2 clowns by the end of this week. Will the yellow tail damsel be aggressive to the clowns?
That is exactly why people should not cycle a tank using live fish. Your not only torturing that fish by putting it through the cycle, but it seems your also fine with killing a fish in order to get your tank going. You should take that fish out of the tank and return it to the store until you properly cycle the tank using fishless methods. It's not hard, all you have to do is throw in a raw shrimp, wait for the ammonia and nitrites to spike, take out whats left of the shrimp, wait for the ammonia and nitrites to go back to 0 and your good to go.

If you do not cycle the tank correctly, then your basically just flushing money down the toilet if you buy the 2 clowns and you won't be making any friends with your method of cycling here.
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I agree with the above sentiments. There is no reason to cycle with fish. With your current approach, all you will succeed in is spending money and killing fish. There is so much good information here and elsewhere on how to properly cycle. Why not heed the advice of those with more experience?
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Another thing. You say your water levels are what they should be at. Can you explain that further????

I'm especially interested since you are trying to cycle a tank. How high did your ammonia go up to? And the nitrites?

What are the readings now?
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On June 11, just 3 days ago, you asked questions about the raw shrimp method and folks expained that to you. What made you change your mind and do the damsel anyway?

shrimp for cycling?
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THIS IS WHY:

I tried doing water tests on my own and was getting pretty weird results, probably becuase I was doing something wrong.

I filled a cup of my water and took it to my local aquarium store (not petco or petsmart a legit fish store that only sells saltwater stuff).

I told the guy it has been about a week or less with my live sand and rock.

He did the tests and told me everything is almost exactly where it should be.

He told me to go home and do a 10% water change, and then I can add a few fish and some snails and crabs.

If I knew my water was bad, I would not buy damsel just so it would specifically cycle my tank.

Obviously my cycle is not complete since its only been about a week, but I just what the lfs guy told me.
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Also to Austinsdad : I will try to do water tests again tonight and post results.
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THIS IS WHY:

I tried doing water tests on my own and was getting pretty weird results, probably becuase I was doing something wrong.

I filled a cup of my water and took it to my local aquarium store (not petco or petsmart a legit fish store that only sells saltwater stuff).

I told the guy it has been about a week or less with my live sand and rock.

He did the tests and told me everything is almost exactly where it should be.

He told me to go home and do a 10% water change, and then I can add a few fish and some snails and crabs.

If I knew my water was bad, I would not buy damsel just so it would specifically cycle my tank.

Obviously my cycle is not complete since its only been about a week, but I just what the lfs guy told me.
Bad advice would cause me to question their legitimacy.
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Cool. Post the results and let us know.

P.S. - don't rely on the lfs. We'll help you, but you gotta learn some stuff too.
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