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Old 02-11-2005, 12:29 PM   #11
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i cyceled my tank witin two days. I had fully cured lr and ls from my old tank and used filtered ocean water.
BUT usualy it doesent work that way
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Old 02-11-2005, 06:43 PM   #12
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When i check my SG i'd say 2 out of 5 times i get a false reading that says the SG is more than the hydrometer can read. I check it a few times to make sure i get the same reading
we checked it several times also with no changes. but there could have been air bubbles as RMP suggested. i haven't checked again today. i will, though. it may be fine.

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IMHO I believe the LFS probably meant ready for a few damsel fish for cycling the tank. It is still pretty common for cycling a tank with fish. You do need to check the validity of the hydrometer reading though.
i thought that's what he meant too, but i was shocked when he said that and i said i recall having to wait atleast a month or so last time i set up a tank and he said no, just a couple days. he also said something about the water being all set or something...who knows. last time i cycled mine with a couple damsels, i don't know what he meant i will continue to go there because they have a huge selection and they appear to take good care of their fish, i'll definitely be leery of any advice they offer, however. i have been reading a lot and i will check out the the library here. there's so much to learn!

thanks again for the advice
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Old 02-14-2005, 07:49 AM   #13
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hydrometers suck. IMO, they shouldn't even sell them. Get a refractometer from drsfostersmith.com. I'm certain that you're getting false readings from bubbles on the arm

do not use damsels to cycle. Just get a cocktail shrimp from your grocery store (preferably never frozen) and toss it in. When it's gone, you'll be ready for "real" fish.

Dump the test strips and get seachem or salifert test kits.

With no fish, I'd test every few days while cycling. After you get your first fish, test every day for a while to keep an eye on things. I have an "ammonia alert" stick on thing to help out.

You'll be wanting more LR. I think you should have closer to 60lb in the 40g. If you can't afford that much, you could pick up some "dry" rock from hirocks.com to suppliment what you've got. it will be "live" soon enough.
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:33 AM   #14
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You're right. I've learned that I have to pour water in very slowly and inspect for bubbles. I let it sit a minute or two to see if the readings change. Next time my piggybank overflows I'll buy a refractometer. Right now I'm getting consistent reading with the swing arm, which I think is the important thing - especially since my tank is still cycling. I also get similar results (1.021 vs 1.023) when I compare my reserve water in my 20 gal tub with my tank water.

So... I'll have to trust the hydrometer for now and follow the same formula each time when mixing my replacement water.
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Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

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Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:48 AM   #15
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Re: Cycling within 2 days???

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I'm not sure what type of water it is but the owner's son said it would be ready for fish in about 2 days. Does this sound right?
I haven't read everyones replies so I don't know if this was brought up yet or not, but it does sound right. I think this person meant that it would be ready for the starter fish in about two days. It actually depends on how well cured the LR is. It's good to run the filters without fish for a little while. I've always prefiltered a system...24 hours per 10 gallons. Some people suggest 12 hours per 10 gallons. It varies just as anything else in this hobby
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:59 AM   #16
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I haven't read everyones replies so I don't know if this was brought up yet or not, but it does sound right. I think this person meant that it would be ready for the starter fish in about two days.
There was some discussion about what the LFS guy meant and whether starter fish are a good idea. It seems that "the movement" is now away from starter fish and toward dead shrimp to cycle the tank. I used that suggestion and my dead shrimp have worked so far - I can't imagine what a fish would have gone through when my ammonia was 8+ and my nitrites were off the scale!!
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SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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You can cycle a tank with live rock as well. For freshwater, you could do the same if you use rocks and wood from an established system.

I've cycled tanks with fish and never had etreme amounts of toxins. I'm disciplined enough not to over populate the tank right away. I usually recommend a pair of danios per 10 gallons of water if someone is going to use fish. If they insist on goldfish, then one small feeder per 10 gallons. Decaying shrimp can put a heavy waste load in the tank. Try flake food. The toxins may not rise up so high.
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Decaying shrimp can put a heavy waste load in the tank
I can vouch for that. I overdid mine, though. At its peak of nastiness there were three stinkers in there. I had to run carbon in a quickfilter to be able to sit in the same room.

One would have been enough, I now realize.
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SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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