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Old 01-11-2005, 09:55 AM   #1
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EXTREMELY cloudy water

Generally speaking, what would be causes of extremely cloudy water? The cloud is white, not green. Not "milky" but close. Appeared over a very short time period.

I'm very new to this, I'm sure there is something I don't understand.

Is this the tank cycling?

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Old 01-11-2005, 11:52 AM   #2
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usually the cause yes.... how old is the tank ??
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Old 01-11-2005, 12:00 PM   #3
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How big is the tank, what is in it, how long have you had it? Did anything in particular happen before the cloud? What equpiment is on the tank?

Like c0mf0rt was asking, we need more information to help you would properly
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Old 01-11-2005, 01:49 PM   #4
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28gal, cycling with damsels. Ammonia/nitrate/nitrite spiked way high very suddenly and water went cloudy. Fish seem to be suffering but was under the impression that I should not do a water change during cycling.

small skimmer, canister filter, power filter / biowheel

fish have been in about 2 weeks

I did a bit of research before starting, but I'm getting the feeling I'm in way over my head here...

I'm guessing that these fish will just have to be sacrificed and then I wait for the nitrogen levels to go back to zero before I put anything else alive in there?

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i have seen this in a tank and what was done was i added a power head and it add oxygen to the tank through little bubbles and better water movement. it seemed to help but i am new to this too.
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28gal, cycling with damsels. Ammonia/nitrate/nitrite spiked way high very suddenly and water went cloudy. Fish seem to be suffering but was under the impression that I should not do a water change during cycling.
Typically people would avoid cycling with this fish for this reason. The fish very likely are suffering for sure in that tank, but you can help them with water changes! The bacteria that you want live in the subtrate and filter, not much of it is in the water. Changing the water gets the ammonia and nitriates out of the tank, the the bacteria is relatively unharmed. You can also cycle with raw shrimp, or even live rock. You may want to think about returning the fish to the LFS and cycling the tank without them.

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Sounds like a good start. Are you planning to keep a lot or live rock in the tank, or just a fish only system? There is a lot fo think about with how you filter a marine tank, it all depends on what you want in the tank.

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The good news is that the fish are still alive. The bad news is that the cycle may still have weeks to go.

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I did a bit of research before starting, but I'm getting the feeling I'm in way over my head here...
A lot of people get in over their head starting out a marine tank. If you stick with it, we can help you get that tank up and running (and healthy).

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I'm guessing that these fish will just have to be sacrificed and then I wait for the nitrogen levels to go back to zero before I put anything else alive in there?
No need to sacrifice the fish! You can very likely save the fish with water changes, or give them back to the LFS.

What do you want in the tank 3 and 6 months from now? Knowing that will allow people to point you in the right direction. Do not be discouraged.
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i have seen this in a tank and what was done was i added a power head and it add oxygen to the tank through little bubbles and better water movement. it seemed to help but i am new to this too.
The extra water movement is good. The bubbles are not necessary. You would be better off to just point the powerhead at the surface of the water. The water movement at the surface increases oxygen more than enough.
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My goal for this particular aquarium is a very few fish only. It is my understanding that a tank of this size cannot handle much more than this. It is also my understanding that live rock, inverts, etc. make things much more complicated -- I chose fish only because I thought it would simplify things.

The fish look very bad now -- I've done a water change... changed a large portion of the water because the test results were just sooo horrible and the water looked sooo bad. It cleared up a bit, but within a few hours was extremely cloudy again.

I've removed the fish and put them in a small tank with brand new water. They look very bad, I do not think the LFS will take them back. I realize that they cannot live in this new tank very long at all, but I belive they will surely die if left in my main aquarium (I'm sure at this point someone will mention that I really should have a QT, but I seem to have other issus to try to figure out first).

So then, let me rephraze my question as follows: assuming that the fish perish, I am now left with 28 gallons of cloudy, ammonia/nitrate/nitrite filled water. Do I just let this tank sit empty until the levels return to zero?

Thanks so much... ya'll have been a really big help so far.
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Get a piece of shrimp from the grocery store and throw in there. This has been the best proven method for cycling a tank besides using lr. It is not uncommon for damsels, even as hardy as they are, to perish from the cycling process. Basically, these fish are exposed to toxic water for a few weeks. Some will make it, and some will not. It is a gamble that many of us have used in the past, but now choose to do a fishless cycle instead for humane reasons.
Cloudy water is definitely a sign of cycling.
And yes. You will want to setup a qt once you have the main tank established and ready to add fish later. Keep stopping by and asking questions. We all want you to be successful in this hobby, and it will keep you from getting frustrated. HTH

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How long does the shrimp stay in the water? And what is the purpose of now adding shrimp if the ammonia/nitrate/nitrite is already present?

Hope that doesn't sound confrontational... am trying to learn.

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