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Old 03-10-2011, 09:47 PM   #141
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I know your tank is young but I can't help but think about you crushing rocks. And looking at the substrate. Looks like crushed coral, known nitrate factories. Still the tank is young to have a buildup like that. How deep is that substrate? Have you vaccumed it when doing pwcs? Rock rubble, not crushed is gonna be your best bet fir the filter. Maybe changing the substrate too to finer sand could be a consideration.
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:53 PM   #142
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I know your tank is young but I can't help but think about you crushing rocks. And looking at the substrate. Looks like crushed coral, known nitrate factories. Still the tank is young to have a buildup like that. How deep is that substrate? Have you vaccumed it when doing pwcs? Rock rubble, not crushed is gonna be your best bet fir the filter. Maybe changing the substrate too to finer sand could be a consideration.
Yea I heard about the shells, I was going to change it for sand when I do the final pwc of my cycle.

No I haven't vacuumed it because I thought with out any fish waste/food settling in it wouldn't be a problem. It's less than one inch.

Another thread recommended to crush the rock up, isn't that what rubble is?
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how do u want to change it with sand..??just asking...
i dunno where did u read such thread about putting LR in canister....there are microorganism on that LR need lights to survive...JMO, remove it will be better options...just my 2cents...maybe other reefers could help on this....
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:26 PM   #144
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how do u want to change it with sand..??just asking...
i dunno where did u read such thread about putting LR in canister....there are microorganism on that LR need lights to survive...JMO, remove it will be better options...just my 2cents...maybe other reefers could help on this....
How do I want to change it? Take all my rock out, scoop out the shells ( the majority of it) and after I clean the sand I'll put it in, let it settle, turn my filter on, put rock in and hope I did it right...?

I don't remember exactly where but I heard it's better than the bio balls/ ceramic media I had in here.

I'm starting to think here is no other way to do a FOWLR with out a sump . Which i would like to avoid because of the space and the money.
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if u planning on doing like that, its look like u will start all over again....but make sure u submerge your LR in water to avoid any died organsm on it...or u need to start cycle again...
yes u can do it without a sump, n u're on the right track from the start....but the problem is where your ammonia source came from...u need to find it....n im not argue with u with such info where LR is better than bioballs/ceramic media...but its depends how frequent u do the cleaning process with the media...
anyway, how long your LR had been there in the canister..??
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:55 PM   #146
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if u planning on doing like that, its look like u will start all over again....but make sure u submerge your LR in water to avoid any died organsm on it...or u need to start cycle again...
yes u can do it without a sump, n u're on the right track from the start....but the problem is where your ammonia source came from...u need to find it....n im not argue with u with such info where LR is better than bioballs/ceramic media...but its depends how frequent u do the cleaning process with the media...
anyway, how long your LR had been there in the canister..??
It's been in there for about 3-4 days I believe.

I would like to keep the canister but of course get the correct supplies for it so it does it's purpose. I don't mind cleaning it weekly or bi-weekly if needed.

I don't understand about the ammonia source, I never really had a spike in ammonia.

So I should change the shells with sand asap than if it will start the cycle over again correct?
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im not sure about that....
JMO, u can change the shells with sand/aragonite but do not change the water 100%...maybe u can do 50% PWC while change all the shells but be sure your LR in water....u still need the old water so that u dont need to start the cycling process from the beginning...JMO.....
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Ok thanks you for your help. I was planning on picking up some sand at a pool store or home depot. Something fine grain and cheap in bulk. Or would buying sand from an established tank a better idea?

Note to self, next time.... Buy an already established tank. Cheaper in the long run I think
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Ok thanks you for your help. I was planning on picking up some sand at a pool store or home depot. Something fine grain and cheap in bulk. Or would buying sand from an established tank a better idea?

Note to self, next time.... Buy an already established tank. Cheaper in the long run I think
u can have some of sand from the establish tank to add together with your new sand...this will help u in the cycling process..make sure dont bring it home dry coz it will be no meaning for u...lol
dont understand what did u meant on your note...:P
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there are microorganism on that LR need lights to survive
which are these? if there are small creatures that are photosynthetic on the rock, they aren't necessary, nor are they beneficial.
that said, i wouldn't put rock rubble in a cannister. i would probably use it for carbon.
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