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Old 11-03-2013, 05:04 PM   #21
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What I would really like to see on a daily basis is s hystrix with a small shoal of small fish swimming around the branches. Magic. Like all the awesome pics you see of great natural grown for centuries truly wild reefs, but in my shed! I really like the sun coral though, and Xenia. The flame angel is my favourite small marine fish, lion fish p volitans is the big fave or the black trigger. So much more flow required, my plan was Eheim 1048 or 1200 x2. Plus in tank wave fan similar to hydor. The tank is designed to house the blenny s. Splendidus. I realise the hystrix at full growth is about 45 cms diameter, that's as wide as my tank. I thought just frag it, is this a bad idea? How long will it take to grow? I guess that's light dependent? There is a rough drawing up there^ somewhere. I will do some maths on the bigger pumps, do I need to circulate the refugium? With additional pumps? P.S. I really want to witness the shrimp and goby pairing, confused! So am I!
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What I would really like to see on a daily basis is s hystrix with a small shoal of small fish swimming around the branches. Magic. Like all the awesome pics you see of great natural grown for centuries truly wild reefs, but in my shed! I really like the sun coral though, and Xenia. The flame angel is my favourite small marine fish, lion fish p volitans is the big fave or the black trigger. So much more flow required, my plan was Eheim 1048 or 1200 x2. Plus in tank wave fan similar to hydor. The tank is designed to house the blenny s. Splendidus. I realise the hystrix at full growth is about 45 cms diameter, that's as wide as my tank. I thought just frag it, is this a bad idea? How long will it take to grow? I guess that's light dependent? There is a rough drawing up there^ somewhere. I will do some maths on the bigger pumps, do I need to circulate the refugium? With additional pumps? P.S. I really want to witness the shrimp and goby pairing, confused! So am I!
Nope fragging it is how most of us keep corals in check! Mine grows pretty quickly, ive only had it about It all depends on lighting and water quality. All your livestock sounds fine though. Xenia grows like a weed.
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Nope fragging it is how most of us keep corals in check! Mine grows pretty quickly, ive only had it about It all depends on lighting and water quality. All your livestock sounds fine though. Xenia grows like a weed.
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Tubestrea is one of my faves, that's the sun coral, you know your stuff. I'd need to check, I'm using my paper plan, it's a single sheet. The books are all noted, the fish list is a little vague, I can prepare a full list of potential items in Latin for you if would look at them please? I also like S. hystrix.
These corals are not difficult but they require a lot of work. You have to feed every head individually and they don't come out when you want them too. Usually about an hour after you feed your tank. As far as the bioload I have never fed my corals. They get all they need from the lighting and water column which feeds the zooxanthellae which inturn feeds the coral or invert. Thus why the no or very low bioload that they cause. Also as far as the gas exchange it`s best to have as much as possible. Your biggest chance will be the top of your tank. If you can get the sump also then that will be a big plus. I have total gas exchange as I have no top on anything in my tank. Surface agitation is how it is done.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:13 AM   #25
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Yes birdsnest is the common name for a hystrix.

Everything looks spot on minus the coral amounts in a tank. It is true that coral make a bioload, but it's so minimal that it really doesn't need to be factored in. The only time it excretes waste is when you feed it meaty foods (this is directed towards LPS), and still it's minimal. It's almost like a RCS in freshwater. Less than that even. The wrong part is that the only reason you can't keep some near each other is due to stinging. Soft corals don't sting, but they can overrun any hard coral. They grow very very fast. Almost a new polyp a day for Xenia. So you can't keep those near any hard coral. They need to be on a separate rock all together. I personally love zoas because they're a slower growing softie.

Your coral stock looks pretty good. Just make sure you add the sun coral later on. You probably already know that they're non-photosynthetic, so they need daily phyto feedings and an established tank.
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These corals are not difficult but they require a lot of work. You have to feed every head individually and they don't come out when you want them too. Usually about an hour after you feed your tank. As far as the bioload I have never fed my corals. They get all they need from the lighting and water column which feeds the zooxanthellae which inturn feeds the coral or invert. Thus why the no or very low bioload that they cause. Also as far as the gas exchange it`s best to have as much as possible. Your biggest chance will be the top of your tank. If you can get the sump also then that will be a big plus. I have total gas exchange as I have no top on anything in my tank. Surface agitation is how it is done.
This is all good advice, so I've decided based on the info I've gained so far, perhaps I will not have tubastrea. Yet.
I've made some advances and some changes to my plan. I was thinking open topped, all of my other tanks are now open topped, one had a lid but it has since broken. No net or mesh?

I guessed the gas exchange would be similar to a normal tank, I was trying to work out if I calculate stock by gas exchange to the display area only or do I factor in all areas where this can occur?

The more I read the more i seem to think, have the minimum fish stock possible and focus on coral for a reef.

I've now added Duncan to the list and dropped the Xenia and tubastrea.


You lot are really very helpful, so thanks to you.

No doubt I'll have more questions soon pertaining to the initial start up sequence.

My plan,
Build stand/tank, test, if ok,
Set up pumps and plumbing, check things are ok, if all is good,
Add salt water,
Buy sand/rock, wave maker pumps and skimmer, wait until things clear up.
Add lights and critters. (Maybe 3-4 months from now I'll be here)
Add fish, (jan 2015)
Add coral.(+12months from start up)

If I get a move on maybe livestock by christmas or the new year and coral this time next year.

Question, is it ok to sequence it that way? Or should the lights/rock/skimmer happen all at the same time?
Or maybe lights/sand/rock then later add the skimmer, when there is something to skim?
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You don't need lights to cycle a tank...in all reality fish don't really care too much either. Just save up for lights that will support the coral you want and go from there. In terms of a skimmer, it depends on tank size and bioload. A 30 gallon or under tank doesn't need a skimmer as you can just export nutrients easily via water changes.
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You don't need lights to cycle a tank...in all reality fish don't really care too much either. Just save up for lights that will support the coral you want and go from there. In terms of a skimmer, it depends on tank size and bioload. A 30 gallon or under tank doesn't need a skimmer as you can just export nutrients easily via water changes.
Cheers, the lights info confirms the route. I will need a skimmer I think?

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If I need a skimmer when do I add this?
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Some say run one while you cycle so it is broken in for when you start adding livestock...others say don't bother til after cycle and bioload. If you have the cash, I say get what you can and roll with it.
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Cheers, also post 16 here on this thread is a picture.

Everything but the lights, I think that's the path.

I did read some things that confirm what you say, both sides of the fence! It's all very confusing. The more you read, the more you realise you no nothing! Then add to that all the various methods that each swears by, and then the conflict that each method brings!

Whoooooo, it's not easy mate! The sea is a tricky old thing to replicate!
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