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Old 10-28-2013, 06:26 PM   #21
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OK I'll defiantly wear gloves when in my tank..see I thought it was the water you wanted to avoid after adding then..but its the direct contact I wish to avoid
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #22
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Lets say you do have a cut and do get the toxin in your bloodstream, what happens?? You get Sick?
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:37 PM   #23
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Absolutely you would get sick! Just Google play toxins and you'll get a ton of info
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:41 PM   #24
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When I first got zoas in my tank I was sensitive to them and if I didn't wash my arm thoroughly enough it would cause a tightness in my chest and an itchy arm plus it made my breathing feel... weird.
Been there done that. I hear ya about breathing issues. Not fun at all. That's why I wear them almost all the time.
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Lets say you do have a cut and do get the toxin in your bloodstream, what happens?? You get Sick?
there have been some isolated incedents reported from zoanthids and palythoas releasing palytoxins and getting in the bloodstream from cuts/abrasions. this can cause serious injury or even death. in Hawaii the palytoxin from zoanthids has been used on spear tips for centuries for hunting
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But not into the water. Just in there slime coat right? Of it went it the water it would kill every thing wouldn't it
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:06 PM   #27
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It will probably be in the water but just in amounts that's too small to matter. I'm also not sure how long the toxin stays viable in the water but I don't imagine it's for very long.
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It's in the protective slime the Zoas emit when disturbed. Natives use to rub spear tips in them to get the slime on them. It contains the palyotoxins. I doubt there is much, if any that enters the water column. And to make it harder, some Zoas make the toxin when in the wild, but not in aquariums, the reverse is true as well, so you don't really know if you have a "hot one" or not.
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Carbon helps to remove chemicals released by corals into water. So that helps.
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Palytoxin poisoning is way over-rated. Not to say it doesn't occur, but most reported cases end up being bacterial in nature. Palytoxin, as the name implies, is a much greater risk in palys than in zoas. However, as was pointed out, you have to be able to tell the difference to know which is which and most hobbiest apply the terms interchangably or incorrectly to their polyps. Using universal precautions such as a face shield and gloves when fragging is always a good idea, not just for palytoxins, but also for the bacterial issues. As was pointed out, unless you have a allergic reaction to the slime of zoas/palys, gloves in the tank are not usually a necessity. Most can handle them without issue, however a few people will develope a rash or itchynes and swelling - this is not from palytoxin, but rather from the bacterial laden slime coating of the polyps which is released to prevent predation and drying.
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