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Old 04-13-2015, 10:47 PM   #11
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A 5 in 1 test that doesn't test for ammonia
that is just lame.

if the tank has only been set up for about 5-6 days and you are getting readings of nitrate, you can be pretty certain that ammonia and nitrite are probably at unacceptable levels.
No, eels are not good candidates for cycling regardless of what you have been told.
Morays are scale less and as such have more issues regarding their skin if water quality is poor.
Is it producing a lot of slime? If so, it's not happy.
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I believe it makes it a non toxic form for a time but the bacteria can still convert it to nitrites then nitrates? I may be wrong but that's my understanding of prime....


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Prime, when used at 5 times normal dosage, will bind up the nitrite in a form that is harmless to the fish, but it does nothing specifically to ammonia.

It is only a last ditch stop-gap to alleviate immediate damage until the water quality can be improved.
Don't use it thinking it will save an ailing critter or help cycling, it only buys you and the fish a little time to act, and that is only with high nitrite levels.
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I don't depend on it at all I was talking about nitrates out of the tap. I keep my tanks very well. I have 0 ammonia 0 nitrite and 10 Nitrate on my main tank last time I checked.


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If you live close to your local fish store, why don't you take the snowflake back and leave him there temporarily while your cycle finishes? I mean, to me that seems like the most rational thing to do.
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Prime, when used at 5 times normal dosage, will bind up the nitrite in a form that is harmless to the fish, but it does nothing specifically to ammonia.

It is only a last ditch stop-gap to alleviate immediate damage until the water quality can be improved.
Don't use it thinking it will save an ailing critter or help cycling, it only buys you and the fish a little time to act, and that is only with high nitrite levels.
Their website says this "Prime removes chlorine and chloramine (even in high chloramine levels), and detoxifies ammonia and nitrite."
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Their website says this "Prime removes chlorine and chloramine (even in high chloramine levels), and detoxifies ammonia and nitrite."
yes, but they only mention using it to detoxify nitrite or nitrate in an emergency situation such as presented by the OP;

Seachem. Prime
To detoxify nitrite in an emergency, up to 5 times normal dose may be used.

for emergency detoxification of ammonia, Seachem recommends using their Amguard as opposed to Prime.
from their "ammonia management brochure;

http://www.seachem.com/Library/SeaGr...Management.pdf
While Safe™
and Prime™ are designed to handle the moderate ammonia
concentrations found in municipal water systems,
AmGuard™ is designed to handle much higher
ammonia concentrations. It reacts rapidly with
ammonia. It is beneficial in any high ammonia
situation, including the establishment of new
tanks.

furthermore they don't even now how/why it works, they just know it does;


Seachem. Prime FAQ
Q: How does Prime make a difference in reducing Nitrates?
A: The detoxification of nitrite and nitrate by Prime (when used at elevated levels) is not well understood from a mechanistic standpoint. The most likely explanation is that the nitrite and nitrate is removed in a manner similar to the way ammonia is removed; i.e. it is bound and held in a inert state until such time that bacteria in the biological filter are able to take a hold of it, break it apart and use it. Two other possible scenarios are reduction to nitrogen (N2) gas or conversion into a benign organic nitrogen compound.
I wish we had some more "concrete" explanation, but the end result is the same, it does actually detoxify nitrite and nitrate. This was unexpected chemically and thus initially we were not even aware of this, however we received numerous reports from customers stating that when they overdosed with Prime they were able to reduce or eliminate the high death rates they experienced when their nitrite and nitrate levels were high. We have received enough reports to date to ensure that this is no fluke and is in fact a verifiable function of the product








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