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Old 04-27-2011, 08:25 PM   #11
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The fact that you're showing nitrites, but no ammonia means you're just about done with the cycle. Your tank *is* cycling... it's just not done yet.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:26 PM   #12
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Don't feel bad! Every tank, no matter if you have the right equipment, is different! I cycled my tank without live rock, and I can just walk to the beach and get it myself. To this day my tank and the fish inhabiting it are all heathy, and it's been up for a year! Just be patient, do loads of research, and don't give up! You'll get it all working right!
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:29 PM   #13
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I wouldn't worry about using fish to cycle a tank, that's exactly how its done in the freshwater hobby it just costs more to do in the marine one! Make sure you buy cured living rock if you buy some, because if you buy uncured you'll have big ammonia spikes. I would buy fijian cured as I think its the best! Good luck with it all
This is simply untrue. That's how it used to be done in the FW hobby, but now we know better.
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This is simply untrue. That's how it used to be done in the FW hobby, but now we know better.
True that. Fish should never be used to cycle, SW or FW.
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Agreed with the two above, cycling with fish is very inhumane
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Kurt_Nelson, thanks for the reply... You think? So based on my levels right now do you think we can determine an estimated time line for the cycle to complete?
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I think people misunderstand what I mean. Every time a fish is added to a tank there is a cycling process I.e. a rise in ammonia then nitrite but the extent of this is determined by how mature the tank is. I agree that the the cycling process is nearly done due to the fact the ammonia levels in the tank have reached zero but the addition of living rock into the tank (or some other filtration upgrade as mentioned earlier) would lessen/prevent ammonia spikes the next time fish are introduced into the tank. I am in no was endorsing the use of fish alone to cycle a tank merely trying to make this person not feel so guilty that they've lost a few fish due to early introduction of fish to a tank that needs some more filtration. The live rock will also help get rid of that nitrite that is probably affecting the fish currently housed as nitrite prevents haemoglobin in the fishes blood from carrying oxygen so keep an eye out for very rapid gill movement. In terms of the amount of live rock you want to put in the tank I would look around the web at a few different places as there are conflicting views on this.
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Sasharples I agree with you! This person obviously loves their tank enough to look for help else where.... So let's help them in the best way possible. Regardless of whatever cycling method is used.
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I think the misinterpretation of your post is warranted, as your sentence implied otherwise. Regardless, I did not post that with any hostility towards your post, was just stating that it was an incorrect statement.

@agarciajr, many of us try our best to move the new hobbyists towards fishless cycling. It is in my opinion, and many others, that cycling with fish should be washed out of the hobby. Part of looking for help is looking for the right way to do things. I believe "helping in the bast way possible" runs along the lines of treating fish in a humane manner, no? On my current tank, I continue to face a hugely unintended cycle with fish in a rather heavily planted tank. It's not fun having to do water changes constantly, when I know all too well the benefits of cycling without fish. Fish behave differently under toxic conditions, and it isn't pleasing to watch.

I'll leave the forum now, though, since SW is not my place. Best of luck to you all.
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Kurt_Nelson, thanks for the reply... You think? So based on my levels right now do you think we can determine an estimated time line for the cycle to complete?
Nope. It'll be done when it's done.

But I can say that when I've cycled tanks, the nitrite will just hang there at some number for what seems like forever, and then overnight it will be gone. Poof... just like that. I always expect it to gradually decline, like the ammonia does. But for me, it just goes to zero overnight. Not sure if that's normal, but that's what I've observed.

I agree with the previous posters about adding CURED live rock - it should help move the cycle along. HOWEVER, you can never really be too sure if what is being sold as "cured" is really cured and there will be no die off. If you end up adding rock that hasn't been cured, you're looking at some die off from the rock, which will prolong the cycle.

As far as how much rock, anywhere between 50-75 lbs is probably a good start.
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