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Old 07-06-2006, 08:17 AM   #31
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Sounding good, but I still hear that inner voice telling you you want to keep the damsels. Take the damsels back (c'mon, you can do it ), read from the "Articles" section at this site on fishless cycling, get one medium size grocery store shrimp, and get your test kit.

And one more investment - Robert Fenner's "Conscientious Marine Aquarist" - also available in the "Library" section at this site. Just ignore his very old school ideas about cycling with damsels -- - book was written some time ago.

In the 4 weeks or so it'll take to cycle the tank, you'll have read the book and allowed us to help you better. You'll be on your way then to that show tank. I commend you for wanting to take care of it yourself - as opposed to paying a pro to come in. Just gotta learn a bit more to have the best chance for success.

All that said, It sounds like like I'm losing my earlier bet. 8) OK with me. If you'd like to send me a PM from time to time, I'm available to help - since it really does sound like you're coming around now. I may ask that we take some of those PMs to the main boards so others can learn too when we can. We'll play it by ear.

I forgot, you got rock in there yet? If not, it'd be a good time to have it in there while cycling. Gotta get that test kit. Don't do the dip strips IMO.
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I'd have to agree with austinsdad...on everything he said.

Add in the liverock now. Who told you that the good stuff will die off? It won't. Adding in the rock now gives your system a chance to get a great cycle in and for bacteria (which comes from ammonia breakdown) to colonize your rock. The longer rock is in there, the more colonized it becomes and a better biological filter you'll have. I cycled with liverock, I have numerous friends that cycled with liverock...no harm done.

Also, what is this stuff that your store calls "bad stuff"?
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You can even put in "base" rock now and let it become lr
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this weekend i'm gonna get the live rock and test kit.
i'd get it sonner but i work 10 hour shifs and there closed when i'm dne work.
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Wow... that is the most cruel comment i've ever read on this forum... But... IMO... you kinda deserved that
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Didja have a chance to take the fish back yet?
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I did not really mean to be cruel. Believe it or not I was trying to be constructive. I was merely pointing out that if that was your mindset it would be better if you had another hobby. It looks like he is doing ok now. To me life is not cheap. weather it is human or marine. I hope none are offended.
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Kawasaki did real well thru all that I thought. I know you didn't mean to be cruel, but it seemed some "might" have been as they jumped on. I could be wrong, but it kinda felt like it at time. I agree. Once those damsels are returned, looks like he's on his way now.
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The damage was done, for me anyway, after this comment was made.... "i'm not keeping the damsels so i don't care about there health. i know its cruel but i'd rather do it this way then to feed the empty tank and let the food rot to build ammonia."

Some may be more forgiving than I, and I commend that. But for me, it just says that if health and cruelty isn't a concern in the beginning, then no miracle cure is gonna cause a change for the duration.

Melosu's comment about mentality wasn't cruel in anyway... Cruelty doesn't even factor in on point worded like that. The only thing he's guilty of is telling-it-like-it-is.

I am glad the damsels got returned though!

Sorry for the lack of forgiveness, but today....it's where I am at.
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Not sure they did yet.

Well.......? The jury is still out it seems.
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