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Old 12-11-2005, 03:20 PM   #11
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Another option is Bio Spira for saltwater, if you can get it. I've seen success stories with it cycling your tank, but at the same time, they first stocked fish that were a bit more hardy too. Then as the tank matures, slowly add more delicate fish.
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:09 PM   #12
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Another option is Bio Spira for saltwater, if you can get it
This would not be my first choice. It is pretty expensive and does not really prepare the tank for long-term habitation. Spend the money on more LR instead, your tank will thank you for it in the long run. Nothing good in this hobby happens fast. If bio-spira was truly the miracle product it is made out to be it would have much stronger backing by hobbiests.
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Bio Spira is garbage in my opinion. I have never heard a success story from its use. I have tried it on two QT tanks and I would have been better off burning that money for heat. Bacteria is to sensitive to be refrigerated then dumped into 75+ degree water and expect it to survive. Not to mention salinity and PH changes etc. You would be better off to do multiple WC and use something like prime to de-toxify the ammonia and nitrites.
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I "cycled" my 29 gal with a bag of purigen from seachem. This basically filtered out all the bad stuff until my live rock was going strong. From day one I haven't been able to detect ammonia or nitrite. Also, using this method, I was able to bypass the curing of the liverock and add fish on day 2.

This isn't exactly a tested method of establishing a tank, but it worked really well for me.
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Dude, I feel sorry for the clown swimming in partially cycled water. Actually, from his parameters, I can tell the cycle is barely kick starting. It's like me walking into a room full of carbon monoxide. That sucks. For the sake of the poor specimen, you might want to consider removing the specimen until the cycle finishes.
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Old 12-17-2005, 03:36 PM   #16
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I "cycled" my 29 gal with a bag of purigen from seachem. This basically filtered out all the bad stuff until my live rock was going strong. From day one I haven't been able to detect ammonia or nitrite. Also, using this method, I was able to bypass the curing of the liverock and add fish on day 2.
very VERY! bad information.
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I have to agree. It is very bad information. Quick-cycle products may give give you good water parameters in a short period of time, but they do very little to prepare the tank for a long-term habitation. The ONLY way to do this is to let the beneficial bacteria colonize over time. There are no exceptions.
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I don't know how it's bad. I don't use the purigen anymore and the tank is fine. From day one I still haven't read more than 0 ammonia or nitrite.
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Well the thing is, the quick cycle makes you think that you're going through a short cut. But you know what happens when you take short cuts, you will get cut short in the long run.

There is definitely no sense in making the cycle faster. The object is to have enough ammonia commensurate to the volume of your tank (and the future specimen) to let nitrifying bacteria flourish. Then, with that amount of nitrites, you can then have enough food for denitrifying bacteria to flourish. You need a good colony of bacteria to maintain a good biological cycle. What's the use of taking short cuts? Wouldn't that innacurately give you a reading of zeros but doesn't really guarantee that you have enough bacteria out there?

I treated cycling as a Right of Passage, back when i started a couple of years ago as a freshwater fan. The problem with making shortcuts to cycling is when you start adding some specimen, there's always this moment where you hold your breath because you don't know whether or not ammonia will start to show up again with the new "waste-creator" added. In my opinion, when people start saying "why did my tank go cloudy again" or "i placed a fish and a week later it died" or "i have ammonia OUTBREAK(is what the shortcutters call it)" that's a good possibility that they tried to either make short cuts or did an inefficient cyle.

Those are my two cents. However, I hope that the original poster's Nemo survived. cheers.
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