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Old 01-07-2011, 05:26 PM   #41
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you don't need to buy any of those things. regular salt mix has all the nutrients most corals need, let alone rock and algae!
that's hilarious! they state live rock needs supplemental Calcium, Strontium, Iodine, and Trace Elements ?
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:34 PM   #42
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Ya, I guess there assuming that some corals are coming in on the rocks. I can understand that for the Caribbean rock, but for the Fiji and other pacific rocks, they have to remove all visible live corals because its illegal to import unidentified corals.
Ok, so no need for supplements what sort of salt should I use, Instant Ocean? And if I use that, is there any difference between their regular salt and the "Reef Crystals"?
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yes, there is a difference between the regular salt and the reef salt. everyone is going to have different opinions about what salt is best. the truth is, no canned salt mix is consistent, so they are what they state on the side of the can, before they are put in the can, but they may or may not be the same by the time you get it.
i use a different salt mix each time. i like reef crystals, oceanic, tropic marin pro reef, seachem reef salt, red sea coral pro, D&D H2 ocean, gettanked aquariums "salt water correct" mix, and a few others.
the salt water correct mix from gettanked aquariums is a bit different than the others because you add the calcium about an hour or so before you do your water change, and this ensures the calcium and alk levels are spot on.
there is another salt mix like that, but i can't remember the name right now.
maybe someone can chime in.

you can keep a tank full of corals healthy and happy with nothing more than regular water changes.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:34 PM   #44
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Ok, so it doesn't really matter which of those I use, which ever is most convenient at the time I get it.
How can I setup a quarantine tank? And how large should it be?
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that's correct.
the size of a QT should vary depending on what size fish you are going to be bringing in.
usually a 20 gallon or so is sufficient.
i'd probably use a HOb filter with a bio wheel for filtration and nothing more than some 6" cuts of large pvc pipe in the bottom for hiding places.
i would cycle it with a raw shrimp.

quite honestly, i'm one of the renegades that believes that my display tank is much less stressful for the fish than a QT, but that's just me.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:54 PM   #46
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All right, I think 20 gallons would be fine as the largest fish im looking at is only 4"
What should I feed the tank? Here is the latest version of what I am looking at:

55 Gallon tank setup V6
140 lb Florida Live Sand (possible lfs)
-20 lb in sump for 1-2” sand bed in refugium
-For 4-5” bed for Jawfish
-For Deep Sand Bed in 40 gallon breeder tank sump
80 lb Caribbean Live Rock (possible lfs)
Build Your Own Reef Cleaner Package (LiveAquaria)
-3 Peppermint Shrimp
-1 Fighting Conch
-1 Arrow Crab
-2 Emerald Crab
-3 Nassarius Snails
-20 (+/-?) Scarlet Reef Hermit Crabs
-20 (+/-?) Astraea Turbo Snails
-20 (+/-?) Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crabs
1 Red Brittle Star
1 Porcelain Crab
Chaetomorpha Algae
-In 40 gallon breeder tank sump
1 Pincushion Urchin
1 Rock Flower Anemone
-Aquarium Lighting for Reef Systems: Current Nova Extreme Pro Saltwater T-5 Fixtures for lighting
1 Colored Cluster Duster
1 Royal Gramma (Fairy) Basset
1 Neon goby
1 Flame Cardinalfish.
1 Pygmy (Cherub) Angelfish
2 Yellowhead Jawfish
1 (-?) Harlequin Bass, is the tank large enough for 2 species of Basslets?
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basslets/pseudochromis can be pretty nasty in home systems.
instead of peppermint shrimp, why don't you get skunk cleaner shrimp? they are much nicer to look at and stay out in the open more.
otherwise, it sounds like a nice setup to me.
btw, you are going to want to make a mesh cover for the display, or those jawfish are going to go carpet surfing.
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Ok, the harlequin bass was just something that looked interesting.
I would have to think about the skunk shrimp, they aren't a Caribbean species, but I guess that doesn't REALLY matter. Could I do both, 2 peppermint and 2 skunk shrimp? The peppermint shrimp wouldn't be very expensive if I put them in the reef cleaner pack.
Still, how do I prepare food?
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the shrimp will live together fine. as for food, here's a recipe thread-
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Ok, that seems simple enough, and I can maybe add some veggies for the herbivores. So I just thaw out however much I need and add it to the tank? I could just use a turkey baster to be sure the jawfish get some. Should I just give the anemone and brittle star small frozen bits?
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