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Old 12-09-2007, 09:29 PM   #1
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ideas wanted for adding more live rock.

In my 46 gallon I currently have about 55 pounds of fiji rock. I want to have about 2 pounds per gallon eventually. So I need about another 45 pounds or so. I was thinking maybe something other than fiji rock(even though my name is fijiwigi) I was thinking tonga branch or lalo rock but I dont really know. As of now I have a bunch a big fat rocks at the bottom and kind of want some rocks that I can lay on top of the fiji to aquascape closer to the top of my tank. I ordered from dr fosters and smith last time I was pleased but rocks were jumbo. Any ideas on places to order live rock and different types of rock that look nice would be appreciated.
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:04 AM   #2
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i would do a little more research on how much live rock you need. it sounds like you are trying to do the berlin system but all that live rock is unnecessary. the use of live rock is over emphasized in this hobby... the reason i say this is because people pile there rock all the way up and next to the glass of their tank and it blocks swimming space... yes fish need places to hide but fish in the ocean swim in open water.. you should only build your rock a little more than halfway up and keep it from the glass... fish like to swim above the rocks in the open water... so be wary of how much rock you use
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I think 1 1/2 to 2 lbs is a good thing. ut keep in mind, you want rock that is porous and light if possible. Just pounds don't mean a thing IMO. Are you going with a reef setup? Otherwise, you may not need that much rock. What kinda substrate u using?

My tank is nearly at 2 lbs per. Stacked up on the rear glass even, yet plenty of swim thru and hiding space too. My open water is plentiful out front. They can dart back and forth easily.

With that much rock, you get more natural filtration going on. Heck, I can keep my nitrates at 5 or less without even using my skimmer for 3 weeks (or more) at a time.

Check out Marshall Island rock too. Keep in mind, u can also use dry base rock now and be real selective about your choices. Light and airy/porous.
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:51 AM   #4
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Yeah I am starting a reef setup Berlin method I think no filter other than skimmer and sump with live rock rubble and macroalgae. the 55 pounds I currently have does not take up much space it is pretty dense which is why I was considering adding some more lighter branch like or shelf like rock. So that I had some pillars and towers and big caves and cool stuff. I don't think I will go with base rock I want some more with good coraline algae coverage. What is a good sight to order from??

My substrate is Nature's Ocean Marine white sand. Its sugar fine and really cheap at lfs. I Notice a lot of people use live sand. I don't know that I am quite convinced enough of the benefits of live sand to spend the extra cash. I still need to add some more though I only put in 30# in and I always seem to vaccuum up a couple cups each time I clean the tank.
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Old 12-10-2007, 02:17 PM   #5
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Base rock will become LR over the course of a few months. It will become covered with Coralline algae over time too.

The sand you have is now LS. Any sand you use will become LS. Yours has benefitted from the LR you started with. You really don't more than a cupful from another reef tank to start with, or just some good uncured LR full of life. The organisms will make their way to the sand bed and populate it. You can always add a detrivore kit down the road should you want to add to the biodiversity of the sand bed.

That said, why are you vacuuming your sand? Do you not have a clean up crew (snails) to keep the sand bed clean?
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Ok I don't know what a detrivore kit is and what is meant by biodiversity? could you explain a little more for me??? when I clean my tank I vaccum any buildup on the sand I still don't have power heads or protein skimmer and my clean up crew is still pretty small. I have been waiting to do anything really until dec 20th when I get $1000 dollars to work with that is why I have been asking so many questions lately. I have learned a great deal from this website and I have been absorbing knowledge every day from studying the posts.
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its not the point of having swimming space out front... fish are use to swimming about the rocks.. which is why you shouldnt stack them high.. they swim in open water above the rocks... and by stacking high it forces them to change their swimming patters
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its not the point of having swimming space out front... fish are use to swimming about the rocks.. which is why you shouldnt stack them high.. they swim in open water above the rocks... and by stacking high it forces them to change their swimming patters
Do you have any photo's of your tank's setup that you can upload so that I can see what your design looks like????
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the use of live rock is over emphasized in this hobby...
I`m going to have to disagree with this statement. LR is very important to a reef set up. I have over 200 lbs in my 125 gallon reef and my 10 yrs of experience tells me that LR plays a very important role. So important that LR and a skimmer is all you need for biological filtration. I understand what you are saying about swimming space but 1.5 to 2 lbs of LR will leave plenty of swimming room. IMO LR is very important in this hobby.
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its not the point of having swimming space out front... fish are use to swimming about the rocks.. which is why you shouldnt stack them high.. they swim in open water above the rocks... and by stacking high it forces them to change their swimming patters
Can't agree with that. Stacking them high is not a problem. Do it so there's hiding space amonst those stacked rocks. Fish need that. There's plenty of swinning room out front - where you want to able to enjoy them anyway. When dark of in fear, they will go into the rocks and chill, sleep or duck in and out of'm.

Hopefully you can see that in the pic attached. Larger tank (155g) but the idea is still the same. And yes, if going reef 1.5 to 2 lbs will be a good thing for you IMO/IME.

Edit - not sure why my pic posted in B&W???? Wasn't that way in my folder. Hmmmm. Hope you can still see the rock structure.
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