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Old 09-01-2004, 12:00 PM   #11
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I just wanted to point out, with no disrespect intended to anyone, that Fenners book is now 7 years old (if I'm not mistaken).
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The bible is pretty old too.
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:01 PM   #12
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The bible is pretty old too.
Don't get me started 8O

Anyway, I didn't want to start a debate or anything.. I did say it was still a great book.. I just think newbies should be aware it's quite old and things may have changed in the last 7 years.

Personally, I still recommed it to everyone I talk to.. but with the above caveat.
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:40 PM   #13
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You're right about the caveat. No debate intended at all. I think I was trying to be funny. Couldn't help that one.
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I think I was trying to be funny.

but you're not sure?


the biggest thing i think that has been mentioned so far, was Soupy's comment: Patience! Everyone's comments on cost can easily be true, but many costs can also be easily avoided. The biggest cost, IMO, can be the livestock itself and if you rush in stocking your tank you'll throw away a lot money on fish (not to mention the poor fish). Many of the costs can be subsided by going the "natural" route. But even then there are a few items that are must haves IMO. (RO filter, powerheads, heater) LR will be your largest single cost item if you get into a tank larger than 30-40 gallons. But even that can be avoided to some extent with buying mostly base rock.

As many have pointed out, read, read, read. both books and online forums like ours (but not just ours). Variety in your sources is the best way to garner a well formed opinion.
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Old 09-01-2004, 05:53 PM   #15
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Well, it was just a thought. Im 14 so I couldnt afford that anyway. I was just wondering if I could simply put a black clownfish into a 20gal and maybe a shrimp. Nothing fancy with corals and anenome and live rock. It wouldnt be any time soon, like I said a few months maybe a year.
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it can be certainly be done, you just have to be much more diligent and patient with a smaller SW tank. If all you want is one fish you wouldn't even need a lot of equipment but be warned... you'll start with one, then you'll want more!
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I love SW fish like porcipine puffers, lionfish, manderin gobies, and such, but I like FW best. I only want a blackclown and maybe, possibly a manderin goby. Are those easy to care for? And what do you mean by less equipment?
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Less equipment meaning no protein skimmer amongst other things.. simple water changes are enough when the bioload is light.

The clownfish is easy but the manderin has some special requirements that a small tank couldn't really meet.. unless you attach a rather large refugium with a lot of LR.
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You can do it well with:

a cheap sand bottom ( 3 dollar bag from home depot)
an emperor 280 filter with the bio wheel removed.
a maxi jet 400 Power head,
a couple good pieces of Live Rock from your local fish store. ( to add some diversity)
standard hood lighting.

you should be able to house 2 clowns and a shrimp or two with this setup in a 20 gallon system.

The whole setup will run you in the 200 dollar range.

Dont forget regular water changes and regular testing.

and don't forget to Research, Research, Research!
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Sorry to bring this back after a long time, but powerheads hook up to undergravel filters right? Sand will fall through the undergravel filter plates wont it?
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