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Old 10-07-2004, 04:08 PM   #1
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Is this a proper DSB?

I see a lot of posts on DSB where people say that they must be done "properly" or else they can crash. I think I have it right but wanted to verify that this is what you would consider a proper DSB.

I have a 2.5 month old 25Gal setup with about 45# LR about 3.5" of aragonite seeded with LS and grunge from different LFSs.

There are lots of worms and worm tracks visable in the sand.
Stirring the DSB I have a bunch of blue leg hermits, 8 Nassarius snails and am picking up a tiger pistol shrimp tomorrow and eventually a watchman goby.

The DSB seems to be doing its job as my nitrates have now dropped to 0.

Any opinions on the setup are appreciated.
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Old 10-07-2004, 04:12 PM   #2
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If the stock you described will be all you are adding to the tank, I don't think you should have any problems. Bioload will be very small. Keep an eye out if you plan to add more livestock though, Remember that with the LR and LS in the tank, you do not have a 25G tank any more due to displacement. HTH
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Old 10-07-2004, 07:21 PM   #3
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Skip the goby or any type of digging fish. If he digs into the hydrogen sulfide zone of the DSB it can crash your tank.
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Old 10-07-2004, 08:03 PM   #4
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yikes now I'm really confused. I thought the idea was to have something stir the DSB to prevent any areas from building up poisonous levels of hydrogen sulfide. If I shouldn't get any digging fish then how can I get a pistol shrimp?
I guess I still need some more help. Thanks so far.
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Old 10-07-2004, 08:15 PM   #5
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wanted to add sometheing else but my son pulled me away. So if a DSB and diggers don't mix then how deep of a sand bed to I need for a pistol/goby pair?

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Not sure, but some folks bury eggcrate about an inch or two under the sandbed to prevent fish from digging into the anaerobic zone. I've never done it but you may find the answer here.
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I have a 3-3.5 inch sandbed and as long as you add the pistol shrimp while the tank is fairly new, there shouldn't be any problem. Those "bad areas" will not have formed in 2.5 months, IMO. To be careful, maybe bump up water changes for alittle while after adding the pistol shrimp. Also make sure to secure the LR (I "planted" mine in the sand) to prevent rock slides from the pistol's digging. A true DSB is 5-8 inches deep FWIW. W/ only 3 inches anerobic areas are going to be slim to none. I count on my LR when it comes to providing anerobic areas. Adding a pistol to a true DSB would be counter productive, unless some type of action was taken like Phases99 mentioned. IMO, true DSB's (5-8 inchers) are slowly fading away.
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My clown swishes his tail in the sand till he puts a hole to the glass (my sand bed is 4") he does this in stages. Will that have the same affect as the goby
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My Maroon clown does the same, except she tends to bury my brain and flower pot corals while making territory for her and her anemone. I'd say thats not as extreme as pistol/goby pair. They tend to move every inch of sand in my 29. FWIW remember sand "diggers" and sand "sifters" are two totally different things. Sifters tend to eat alot of what makes a sand bed a LS bed, and that is not good at all.
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Excellent...thanks for the clarification on DSB. Luckily I did think ahead and used base rock under the LR for stability.
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