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Old 02-16-2007, 12:26 AM   #11
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Ok. So I have tested my tap water and all levels are 0. However my sister-in-law was saying something about copper in the water and it causing problems? I have never heard of this though..... Ok the guy at the store told me to keep the bio-wheel on til the tank started looking better to get my bacteria up, but I figure I will try taking it off anyways. Well I had a nitrate and ammonia problem before anything died. Then I lost my starfish and a week later my scooter blenny, and then I bought 4 chromis and they all died, then a month later I tried a lawnmower blenny and he just disappeared after a week. The ammonia didn't rise though with these, it just stayed the same. (I took them all out ASAP) I don't use R/O water because I have to drive an hour to get it and that is just too much.
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So, are you just mixing your salt mix with tap water out of the tap? Or are you putting any chemical tap water conditioner into the water before mixing the salt up with it? I think most tap water conditioners have stuff in them to knock out the heavy metals, like copper. In fact, I think some salt mixes have stuff in them to take care of heavy metals also.

If you're not using a tap water conditioner, you're probably having issues with not only copper, but chlorine/chloramine also. But I would've expected that to cause you problems from day one though. And that doesn't explain the ammonia/nitrate issue.

In trying to figure out what might be going on with your tank, I noticed a post of yours late last year that mentioned making about 20 lbs of homemade rock. Did you put that in the tank? Was it properly cured? I have no experience with that stuff, but I'm guessing that if it's not fully cured before it goes into your tank you could cause quite a chemical problem. Could that figure into any of this?
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Yeah, I am using SeaChem Prime. I just now started adding those rocks I made, and only one at a time every 2 weeks. I def properly cured them.

I figured out what that worm thingy is I think..... a smaller bristle worm.




It looks just like that pic from a site. So theyre bad I heard.....

How could I have got this? I noticed them after I got my lawnmower blenny.....

I told you it never ends & I have A LOT of them.....
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Old 02-16-2007, 09:01 AM   #14
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Just a run of the mill bristle worm smaller ones are safe larger ones eh that depends on who you ask if they are greater than 3 inches in my system there is no pardon they get pulled out and flushed . They respond to the ammount of food in a system and will come naturally with live rock and reproduce by the demands of food . As for the water what about distilled from a local market ? That is what we use as I am not paying $3.50 a gallon ! I have had good luck with it .... that is what I use for top off as well. Using tap water there are just really too many things that could be causing your issues as others have said
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As for the water what about distilled from a local market ? That is what we use as I am not paying $3.50 a gallon ! I have had good luck with it .... that is what I use for top off as well.
I agree with Sadielynn on this also. For the first 7 yrs of my tank I used distilled water. You can get it at super markets and you can get RO water at Walmart if you have one of them around you. You can also get your own RO/DI unit and make your own. You can get a real good one on ebay for about a hundred dollars.
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I wouldn't be concerned at all about the bristleworms. Yes... there is one species that can cause problems with corals. But the one you showed a picture of isn't that species. I freaked when I saw the few (?) that I have, but have since calmed down and just consider them part of my cleanup crew. They will do a great job of keeping your sand bed clean.

OK... so you're using Prime, which should knock out the copper/lead/chlorine/etc from your tap water - that's good. And it sounds like your homemade rocks aren't the issue. I'd still suspect your tap water, assuming you aren't putting any other additives in your tank. If you're doing water changes, and are not grossly overfeeding your tank, or have something dead in there that's hiding, your nitrate levels should be going down and not staying the same. I know you said all the levels in your tap water were zero, but I find it hard to believe that your tap water doesn't have any measurable nitrAtes in it. Are you using a city municipal water source, or well water? I agree with Sadielynn... try some supermarket distilled water for a while and see how that works for you. Just make sure you check the distilled water though, to know exactly what you're putting into your tank, nitrate-wise.
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I'd still suspect your tap water, assuming you aren't putting any other additives in your tank. If you're doing water changes, and are not grossly overfeeding your tank, or have something dead in there that's hiding, your nitrate levels should be going down and not staying the same. I know you said all the levels in your tap water were zero, but I find it hard to believe that your tap water doesn't have any measurable nitrAtes in it. Are you using a city municipal water source, or well water? I agree with Sadielynn... try some supermarket distilled water for a while and see how that works for you. Just make sure you check the distilled water though, to know exactly what you're putting into your tank, nitrate-wise.
for the nitrates how old is the test .... They have a short shelf life after opened 6 months to a year at most .It may well be worth replacing it ..
Also some wal -marts dont sell ro/di .... their distilled comes purple cap purple lable ...for about 67cents a gallon
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Well, I thought it might be because my test was old- but I took my water to 2 different LFS and the levels read the same for them too. The LFS said my tap water has 0 Nitrates also, so I dunno? The water is city water, but it comes from a lake about 2 miles away, so I dunno if that makes it better? So can I use filtered water from like my PUR thingy? Will that work as good as distilled water? My sister-in-law tried to tell me RO water is just double filtered water? Dunno how true that is..... She works at a really horrible LFS. I don't know how long something dead would stay around in there, I have around 100 snails and they seem to devour stuff very quickly. I don't overfeed anymore (for several months now) so..... I have no idea what my issue is, but I turned off my bio-wheel today, maybe I will see some improvement.....

and I guess consider the bristle worms part of my tank and be careful. How is it that things like this just randomly appear in SW tanks????
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How is it that things like this just randomly appear in SW tanks????
They have been there awhile. You are just seeing them now. They come in LR when you purchased it. There are alot worse things to be concerned about coming from your LR.
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Well, I thought it might be because my test was old- but I took my water to 2 different LFS and the levels read the same for them too. The LFS said my tap water has 0 Nitrates also, so I dunno? The water is city water, but it comes from a lake about 2 miles away, so I dunno if that makes it better? So can I use filtered water from like my PUR thingy? Will that work as good as distilled water? My sister-in-law tried to tell me RO water is just double filtered water? Dunno how true that is..... She works at a really horrible LFS. I don't know how long something dead would stay around in there, I have around 100 snails and they seem to devour stuff very quickly. I don't overfeed anymore (for several months now) so..... I have no idea what my issue is, but I turned off my bio-wheel today, maybe I will see some improvement.....

and I guess consider the bristle worms part of my tank and be careful. How is it that things like this just randomly appear in SW tanks????
In short no the PUR will not remove all the impurities from your water .And now is not the time to take cheep cuts with the issues that you are incurring now. It mainly removes clorine and some other hard metals but not all or 100%.
RO/DI is a really filtered down water yes but it is like a hepa filter for water . The water passes through a series of filters and carbon.
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With removal of the wheel you should see marked improvement with every water change. It may take up to 8weeks to see it drastically but you will see it .As for the bristle worms they are usually deep into the rock reveling them selfs when food is present ... they just multiply and then you start to see them .
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