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Old 04-14-2005, 01:53 PM   #11
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JPloman - are ur bioballs under water?
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:58 PM   #12
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I have bioballs and have had no problems. My sump (bioballs) as been set up for like 4 months now. Prior to that I had all kinds of problems...
What kind of problems? The LR/bioball topic refers to nitrate levels, for the most part.
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Old 04-14-2005, 02:10 PM   #13
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Bioballs have been succesfully used for years and I dont think anyone here is saying that they are EVIL. What many of us are saying is that there are other options that equal or even outperform the benefits of the bioballs. In my opinion even if the bioballs dont cause high nitrates in my system I would still upgrade to LR to help with nitrification, denitrification and refuge for pods to grow. Of course this is just MHO
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My bioballs are completely submerged. Prior to bioballs I had nitrate problems they were really outta control. That led to Cyanobacteria and hair algae. Those problems have gone away. I don’t know if it because of the increased surface area for bacteria or something else, but I do know there is a major difference.

I agree that using lr rubble would increase the pod population, but I do not think it is worth the money to invest in the lr rubble on a new set up.

I think if you went with bioballs for a new system then slowly added lr rubble and removed the bioballs, you would have the same effect and it would not mean dropping tons of money on lr rubble in the beginning when things like skimmers and lr are an issue.

I personally would rather see someone who is new to the hobby learn the joys of the tank before seeing how expensive it is. If I had known how much money I was going to drop on my tank, I more than likely would never have started it.
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Old 04-14-2005, 03:31 PM   #15
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I have bioballs submerged in my sump and the biggest problem I have with that theory is that they FLOAT! DUH! I put the trickle plate over top of them to help hold them down so that they stay submerged but they move with the water level.
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Old 04-14-2005, 04:14 PM   #16
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I have bioballs submerged in my sump and the biggest problem I have with that theory is that they FLOAT! DUH! I put the trickle plate over top of them to help hold them down so that they stay submerged but they move with the water level.
LOL

I did the same thing.
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ok...i feel better now.
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No, that's incorrect. It's the very much alive LR rubble (actually, the bacteria in it)that remove the nitrates, and these bacteria do not require high oxygen (in fact, it would kill them).

The statement above, in my understanding says that if it has bacteria it is alive, well I was always under the impression that it took more than bacteria to make it alive, other wise we would have alive bio balls.

I believe I said it depletes the oxygen, which in studies has shown that the lack of oxygen can and will remove nitrates for several reasons. One being the bacteria that eats ammonia and nitrates no longer do their job and produce nitrates so there for eliminating them but also leaving all the work to your lr in the tank. the other is the bacteria that eat nitrates are more abundant. It could be either one depending on how much bacteria you had to start with. Unless these studies that are put out are full of it???

I am not saying the lr rubble won't work, I just don't like the cost and possible side effects when there are other means at a much affordable cost. We all have our opinions.
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Old 04-14-2005, 05:33 PM   #19
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denitrification(nitrate removal) requires anaerobic conditions(lack of oxygen) to work. LR gives this ability deep within its structure
As I said earlier it is lack of oxygen. Bioballs have no place for the oxygen depleted water to go and go through denitrification. LR does not use oxygen per se. As the water travels to the inner parts of the rock it gets depleted of the oxygen and is where the denitrification process occurs.
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Sorry... I got it now...

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