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Old 09-12-2006, 10:17 PM   #21
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Ok, good advice. BF knows that his trigger didnt kill anyone (because wouldnt he have picked on the smallest, most peaceful fire fish?) And he knows that no more stressful aggressive fish will ever be in the tank regardless. Whew..finally got to him!

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I will return the aggressive fish that I have. What about my firefish and clownfish. Can I keep them or should I take them out too so my tank can stabalize?

What about my live rock and inverts (snails and brittles)
Take them out too?

Let the tank sit for awhile (about a 6-8 weeks)
At this time can I add more LR if I find some or no?

Thanks for all the help guys!
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:40 AM   #22
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Cool, I'm glad he is listening!
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I will return the aggressive fish that I have.
Good idea.
Now for these questions. Why are you thinking about taking them all back?
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What about my firefish and clownfish.
I would leave them in there. Unless you know you had ich.
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What about my live rock and inverts (snails and brittles)
They will be safe, as long as your water parameters are stable and readings are at 0.
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At this time can I add more LR if I find some or no?
You can add as much as you like.
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Old 09-13-2006, 05:18 PM   #23
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Ok, then that is what I will do. Return the trigger and damsels..when I catch them. Leave the clownfish, firefish and inverts. Stock up on my LR, maybe some inverts.

Everyone else think this is the best tactic to get my tank back to normal if it had ich or a parasite? (and my tank just sitting without new fish for over a month will be the way to 'fix' it)

Should I maybe do a 50% water change too?
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if it had ich or a parasite?
We aren't exactly sure you do have ich. If that is the case, you should leave the tank fallow for 6-8 weeks.
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If your water parameters are in order, all 0s, I don't see any reason to do a PWC that large. If you think you have ich a 50% PWC won't get rid of it.
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:44 AM   #25
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Roka is right about not taking them back unless you know you have ich. However I would much rather be safe than sorry in this case. You maybe killing more and more fish trying to figure out what is killing your fish when it's as simple as going fallow (no fish) for 6-8 weeks. IMHO I would take everything back just to be safe. Do you really need to? I dont know for sure. I could be wrong but that is just my opinion. I really hope its not ich though. Its a pain in the butt to deal with. Good luck!
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Be careful about adding more liverock. Unless it's cured, you'll risk starting another cycle.
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I agree with most of what is posted above. I also responded in this thread:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=86270

I would like to see you update your "my info." with more details. In addition to having a huge bio load for a new tank I question if you have adequate filtration with only 40lbs of LR and..."Canister filter and power filter" without knowing what kind of filters. Are you running a protien shimmer? The type of fish you have can be messy and I would recommend it down the road.

As for returning fish I agree that the agressive fish can go and possibly all if you truly have ich. My question is what LFS is going to take back fish that may or may not have ich? Do you have a QT tank? A QT tank may be the better route long term. You can proberly QT your current fish you plan to keep and then QT furutre purchases and not run the risk of reintroducing disease. For the cost of a bare bottom 20g and extra HOB with sponge it is worth the investement vs. the hassle of treating the main once it is infected.

Suggest you do some more research on the fish you want and develop a wish list. Fish should be added in a certain order from least aggressive (not necessarily the smallest) to most aggressive.

Don't give up, just slow down. Even with a 80 gallon tank you are limited on the amount of fish and if the filtration is less than adequate you may be even more limited.

Keep us posted on what you decide.

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Well I checked the water today and nitrite went up a bit (for the first time ever i swear)..sorry dont know the numbers. I am doing a PWC today of 20-30 gallons. Taking back the three damsels and the trigger and clownfish to have LFS look after. (I can hear trigger nipping at clown right now!)

I will also try to siphon out any remains of past animals that have died. I removed my angel but the the gramma got eaten. May be bones left. and I will check on brittles.

So...if I let my tank sit for 6-8 weeks...the ich will go away, any parasites..etc will go away. They will not attach to my inverts? I just want to make sure becaue this is my plan.

I am also planning on no more aggressive fish..just semi. good?

Is there anywhere I can get my new batch of fish so I know they won't have anything wrong with them? Online at liveaquaria?
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So...if I let my tank sit for 6-8 weeks...the ich will go away, any parasites..etc will go away. They will not attach to my inverts? I just want to make sure becaue this is my plan.
Yes, the ich will be gone. Just remember to qt your new fish so that it doesnt get introduced into your tank again.

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There is no way of knowing whether or not the fish that you are getting online will have ich or not. They move the fish in and out of the online stores so fast I doubt they would even know. However they do offer a 14 day guarantee!
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The real issue is to take it slow and properly QT new fish. You can leave your tank empty for 2 months and kill any current parasites, but as soon as you intorduce a new fish without proper QT and it gets stressed th process can start all over.

The key is getting the tank stabilized (consistent good wter quality over time) and properly QT new fish otherwise you are taking a gamble.

Even if ich is present most fish will fight it off if they are healthy and not stressed. I have had fish die of ich and no others in the same tank become infected if they are healthy.

Some key things that stress fish include:

Sudden change in water temp
Deteriorating water quality
Sudden spikes in water quality
Being picked on by more aggressive fish
Territorial battles that do not stop
Shipping/transfer process to a new environment

This is just a few things that come to mind, I am sure there are many more. It is our job to try to reduce as much of the stress as possible by providing a good home that minimizes these factors.

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