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Old 08-31-2009, 09:47 PM   #1
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mandarin compatibility

Will a spotted and green mandarin get along ok if I add them at the same time?

Are they good with Inverts?

Says the care level is "difficult" but doesn't say why.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:58 PM   #2
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They are difficult because the little buggers are a pain to feed. Mixing mandarins is NOT a good idea. Unless they are male and female of the SAME variety, they will kill each other. They are fine with inverts. What size tank?
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120 tank..... how and what do i feed them? Maybe I will just stick with one and get the Red Mandarin. They are octurnal, right?
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:02 PM   #4
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He should be fine adding to the tank if there is already a clown and chromis, right?
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:13 PM   #5
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They are not nocturnal. I would wait about a year to add so you have a decent pod population. They eat pods constantly and in new tanks will decimate the pod population in a matter of days/weeks. He will be fine with the clown and chromis.
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You need a established colony of copepods ( you have a big enough tank to have 1). They are the natural food of a mandarin. You need a refugium to allow these small crustaceans to breed at away from predetors. Once you have a well established population of copepods in your 125 you can put in your mandarin of choice. Thay might eat pellets but they might not except it and there main food anyways should be the copepods. They should be the only copepod eaters in the tank IMO so there is enough food for them. For example a fire fish eats copepods. If you want a second one you have to have the size refugium to breed a large size of copepods and a large enough tank. You have the size tank but the important part is the refugium. What size is your refugium? Also what other fish do you have in your tank?
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Refugium is NOT required.....A simple pile of live rock that the mandarin can't get into will work. You can try feeding it in vitamin fortified brine. If it eats the brine, there is almost no need for pods, but it may munch on a few.
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Refugium is NOT required.....A simple pile of live rock that the mandarin can't get into will work. You can try feeding it in vitamin fortified brine. If it eats the brine, there is almost no need for pods, but it may munch on a few.
your somewhat wrong about that. If the mandarin can get in the middle of the rocks the copepods will get in it and eat ALL the pods. Now you can make it where the fish cant get in the middle of the rocks then ya it would work. But the fish usually are small enough to get in the middle of the rocks. Also it usually is not big enough in the middle to get a good enough of a population. Now it has been known to put a flower basket of some sort or something like that in the middle of the tank for the copepods to be in and breed in away from predetors. But usually a refugium is the best way to get a good population going. So yes your right that it is not a must, but it is a easier approach to the whole thing. You usually get a more stable population with a refugium. Espcially if he wants 2. Besides, if he has a sump he could simply make a portion of it his refugium.
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Refugium is NOT required.....A simple pile of live rock that the mandarin can't get into will work.
I'm still sticking with my previous post. It is a trusted method that many have use and have had luck with. You are right, refugium is a more sound way to approach. I was just simply stating another method, I did not say to toss the idea of a sump. As I have bolded, you can see that I said can't get into. I did not edit this as you can check the quote in your post. Getting two in one tank even with a fuge can have a bad ending IMO. He will need to sex them when he buys them. Two of the same sex WILL kill each other, two of a different species WILL kill each other. It is better to have just one in a tank unless you have them trained on brine. The mandarin may still topple the pod population even with a refugium. As you may have read before, it could take a 100g full of live rock to feed a mandarin properly and may still not be enough. HTH.
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He will need to sex them when he buys them. Two of the same sex WILL kill each other, two of a different species WILL kill each other. It is better to have just one in a tank unless you have them trained on brine. The mandarin may still topple the pod population even with a refugium. As you may have read before, it could take a 100g full of live rock to feed a mandarin properly and may still not be enough. HTH.
I did forgot to mention about that you need to sex them and get a m/f pair and the same species at that or they will kill each other. He is right about that. I just think that a refugium is a better approach. Also if you do his method you can not only do 1 small pile of rock, make sure you have other small piles of rock amongst your cage.

As for this little dance thom we are both right. I feel that my approach is better but that is why we are all different kinds of fish keepers with our own styles.
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