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Old 12-15-2011, 01:48 PM   #101
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Just remember that the pistol shrimp is agressive towards most oter shrimp.
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:39 PM   #102
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Thanks, definitely gonna read up more on a yasha goby/pistol pair.....one day I'll have that mandarin tank.
I am sure you will. My point was that only a extremely small number of hobbyists has the time and dedication to keep truly sensitive fish's and corals. If you are not prepared for this task, you are one of the problems the hobby has to face, irresponsibility. I don't raise tigers, because I cannot care for them in a responsible manner. A Dragonette isn't a tiger, I know that...but anyone that isn't dedicated and prepared for one of these fish, is just going to flush it down the toilet in months, maybe a few years. I have saltwater fish that are over 10 years and one that is almost 18 years old. I made the personal vow that I would only collect specimens I KNEW I could sustain for the natural lifespan of the fish. The rest is research and if documented well is worth the life of a few fish. I like challenges myself, but not at the expense of other life forms.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:26 PM   #103
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:14 PM   #104
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:32 PM   #105
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Mandarins, are they really a difficult fish?

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There's a great article in coral mag this month all on dragonettes. Yes it's possible to train them on live and frozen brine, Copepods can be purchased at most lfs.
Well I could not find that magizine at any of the LFS in my area of town. So I got through subscriptions. I have not read all of the article yet but it has me extremely worried now. They mentioned several times how they are posionous to their tankmates and how that when they have died either in the tank at the store or in the bag so did the other fish that just happened to be in the same bag.

So if that is the case would I want to risk my other fish if I should put one in my tank and it dies?????

Has anyone ever experienced this before??????
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Well I could not find that magizine at any of the LFS in my area of town. So I got through subscriptions. I have not read all of the article yet but it has me extremely worried now. They mentioned several times how they are posionous to their tankmates and how that when they have died either in the tank at the store or in the bag so did the other fish that just happened to be in the same bag.

So if that is the case would I want to risk my other fish if I should put one in my tank and it dies?????

Has anyone ever experienced this before??????
I operate a 250 gallon system and have not had a dead dragonette cause any problems. Other than getting sick of killing these fish, I didn't have a tox problem, but in a smaller system, it could be a problem. That magazine has become my text of choice as they publish such great research.
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Mandarins have a thick slime coat that is distasteful to other fish. I've never heard of one nuking a tank just from dying in the tank. I have a 125 gallon tank and have lost 4 in 8 years, 3 within a day of receipt. I never had a problem.
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Thank you Cmor that put my mind to ease.
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I will say this...the Mandarin is a fish worthy of research and going the extra mile to provide an environment that it will relish. I myself intend on building a system someday just for this purpose as I know it can be done.
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Well I could not find that magizine at any of the LFS in my area of town. So I got through subscriptions. I have not read all of the article yet but it has me extremely worried now. They mentioned several times how they are posionous to their tankmates and how that when they have died either in the tank at the store or in the bag so did the other fish that just happened to be in the same bag.

So if that is the case would I want to risk my other fish if I should put one in my tank and it dies?????

Has anyone ever experienced this before??????
I have been in the fish business for over 40 years and would question the reliability of the author of the article if he states that they are poisonous to their tankmates.
As mentioned above, Mandarins have a thick slimecoat which protects them from other species. I can't say for sure but we can assume it has an unpleasant taste to it. As for it killing the other fish in a tank, your biological system should be set up to handle it. As for killing the other fish in the bag, shop at another pet store! No intelligent pet store employee who knows anything about fish would pack a mandarin with other fish. The slime it produces from the stress of the move would make the water unsuitable for the other fish to breath. Mandarins know how to get around this just as parrotfish don't suffocate themselves when they "cacoon" at night. The slime coating the other fishes gills is what would be the cause of death, not poison.
The biggest challenge to keeping mandarins is the food. Reef tanks that have plenty of copapods and small crusts. for them to eat are ideal. Community tanks with no means of small foods would be a problem. A single tank of dragonetts, smaller gobies and blennies might be a better alternative.
Hope this helps...
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