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Old 09-06-2011, 05:48 PM   #61
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I had a green mandarin that died the second day I had it it wasn't starving, because my tank is literally crawling with copepods, but idk. It stayed in the same spot the entire time, and one morning I woke up and it was dead. So sad.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:50 PM   #62
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That one could have been already on his way out due to starvation too, i've seen some sadly thin ones at some lfs's. Once they are past a certain point I think it can't be reversed. My opinion of course. I chose a pretty plump one so I knew what i was getting and so far so good. Her diet is still limited but at least she is eating.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:58 PM   #63
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I still feel horrible I think mandarins should just not be sold....
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Ann A I think what you missed is that you went out of your way to make sure your fish lived. You obviously took time to research and make sure the fish had food. So your experience and knowledge played a role in the survival. They are not hard to raise but even experienced aquarist struggle with them. So if they are not labeled as difficult then people would buy them like clown fish only to have them die later.

LFS sells them for 4.99. I tell them they should sell them for a 100. Its harder to take a chance on a 100 then it is 5 bucks.
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Old 09-06-2011, 06:58 PM   #65
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Ann A I think what you missed is that you went out of your way to make sure your fish lived. You obviously took time to research and make sure the fish had food. So your experience and knowledge played a role in the survival. They are not hard to raise but even experienced aquarist struggle with them. So if they are not labeled as difficult then people would buy them like clown fish only to have them die later.

LFS sells them for 4.99. I tell them they should sell them for a 100. Its harder to take a chance on a 100 then it is 5 bucks.
I agree. If Mandarins aren't a difficult fish, then the term "difficult" should be reviewed. There are certain corals that also fit into this. For a researcher with loads of time, most anything. Is possible, but for the casual reef keeper, it can be a waste of precious live stock. The rest is luck that can turn on you.
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Oh I completely agree with everyone's posts, and I too think that they should not be sold for so cheap, or to people who are not prepared to take extreme measures to keep them healthy and happy. Oh and believe me I know I got lucky with my mandarin, even if he doesn't eat prepared foods. I was simply sharing my experience with keeping one, and gave my general opinions. I think that they are not necessarily hard to keep, but hard to feed. I did not intend to make them seem like an easy fish to keep, only to give some information on what has seemed to work for me. I really do agree with everyone, and do not suggest getting one of these fish, unless you are able and willing to buy large amounts of live food for them. Even then, I still would be very cautious about getting one as they are very finicky eaters. If you have one, you will definitely need a refugium. True, that for a while I did not had a refugium, but keep in mind that I bought copepods, rotifers, and amphipods, as well as had very healthy live rock, that provided plenty of food and shelter for the pods. I also had a larger amount of algae than most tanks normally do, which also provided plenty of food and shelter for the pods. Again, I still believe these fish are not as difficult to keep as many say they are, but they can be extremely difficult to keep well fed and healthy. For these reasons, I still would not recommend them, no matter how beautiful and cute they are. I was simply sharing my experience with mine, and what things may have contributed to my success thus far.
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I agree. If Mandarins aren't a difficult fish, then the term "difficult" should be reviewed. There are certain corals that also fit into this. For a researcher with loads of time, most anything. Is possible, but for the casual reef keeper, it can be a waste of precious live stock. The rest is luck that can turn on you.
Well, that pretty well sums it up. I think that in a sense, this can be applied to almost all saltwater creatures. And, as you said, a lot of your success depends on your luck.
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There is no easy fish to keep that is difficult to feed. Reminds me of the old Seinfeld routine he did with a car rental company that gave his car away. It's not the taking of the reservation, it's having the car when I come to get it. If a coral or fish is easy to care for, ie; feeding and water parameters are acceptable with ordinary equipment and upkeep, then it is a easy fish/coral. If, on the other hand, you have to feed live food as the sole source of nutrition, then that gets out of hand for most reef keepers, even if they are dedicated, they go on vacation, get sick, or bored after awhile and the organism doesn't care, it dies.
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There is no easy fish to keep that is difficult to feed. Reminds me of the old Seinfeld routine he did with a car rental company that gave his car away. It's not the taking of the reservation, it's having the car when I come to get it. If a coral or fish is easy to care for, ie; feeding and water parameters are acceptable with ordinary equipment and upkeep, then it is a easy fish/coral. If, on the other hand, you have to feed live food as the sole source of nutrition, then that gets out of hand for most reef keepers, even if they are dedicated, they go on vacation, get sick, or bored after awhile and the organism doesn't care, it dies.
That is true. I only meant that it mig be a little bit easier than most people think of it, as far as parameters, or other things, bit definitely not on feeding.
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Let us know in a few months how it's going. Best luck and wishes.
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