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Old 06-17-2014, 10:17 PM   #1
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MTS - 40g Tiger Barb tank or saltwater tank?

Ok, just set up a 60g Malawi tank with Yellow Lab, Acei and Demasoni. Multi-tank syndrome has set in...

My first thought was to get a 40g with maybe 15 or so tiger barbs with a SAE, would be cool to have a schooling tank and I think they are pretty with the stripes. But, as this will be my last tank as my wife will draw the line I'm sure, I was wondering if I should give saltwater a try instead. I figured I would post this in the saltwater forum so you can talk me out of the barb tank and into doing saltwater!

If I do a saltwater tank, I'm thinking I would do 40 gallon FO or FOWLR, not reef. Here are some of the stocking options I was thinking:
Single or Pair of Ocellaris clownfish
Six Line Wrasse
Neon goby
Four Stripe Damselfish
A few snails and hermits or a small puffer (saddle valentini) if FO.

With a 40 g, I could maybe keep max 5-6 fish? I'm assuming the 1 inch rule doesn't really apply for saltwater... Any other options that would go well with a ocellaris? I also like the yellow tail damselfish, can they be kept single or do they have to be kept in groups?

I'm a little confused by the live rock concept, does it eliminate the need for bio filtration? I could just use a skimmer or something?

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Not a SW keeper but here are my two cents:
Live rock will serve as the primary biofltration, especially with nitrate reduction. You could still use addition filtration if you want.
Be prepared to have access to RO water. Tap water in most if not all cases has substances not suitable for a SW setup.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:29 AM   #3
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MTS - 40g Tiger Barb tank or saltwater tank?

I have to say, you seem pretty well prepared compared to most people who switch over too saltwater.

You're stocking list is pretty on point. However, I would skip any damsels because they are very aggressive.

The amount of fish all depends on each of the bioloads and filtration and size of each fish.

Quick question: Why are you staying away from reef? It's honestly it's not all that hardThe only thing it will require is just more intense lighting.

I would also skip the 6 line, they can be really aggressive too.

Some type of dwarf angel, like a cherub would be great for a FOWLR tank. Since there is a risk that they will nip on corals.

Live rock is your source of Biological filtration. You'll need 40lbs of Dry or Live rock, both will be come live during the cycle.
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Thanks to both of you for the replies!

Macscale, I think it would be fun to do a reef tank, but it seems like to do it right is pretty expensive.

Also, I stopped in petco today and they said their $1 per gallon starts June 29th so maybe i could get a 55g.

Here's my estimated expense...
$55 - 55g
$120 - protein skimmer
$200- 20 lb live rock, 40 lb dry rock
$40 - 40 lb live sand
$150 - 6-8 fish
$60 - 2 koralia powerheads
$60 - hood/lighting

That's about $700. Am I way off? Anything missing? I feel like if I do a reef setup, I would have to upgrade the lighting and get a more expensive alternating current controller. Maybe I should go ahead and start saving up to do that though.

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The rock will be way cheaper. You can just buy it all base online where 50lbs is like $80. Maybe a piece or two of live to seed Coraline.

The skimmer will be more though. If you are going hob; it will be about $180.

In sump will mean plumbing and building a whole sump which will be a lot more.

For the Powerheads, you don't need an expensive alternating controller, but it is an added benefit. Koralias would do just fine. But, it would be better to go with Jebao WP-25. On amazon about $60, and they had a screw up in shipping with mine and I got two for the price of one. The wp-25 have controllers and are really great.
You would need to upgrade light, which would be about $185 based on current Tao Panel pricing.

You will also need to factor in buying quality test kits. Companies like Redsea and Salifert are more reliable then the API's.

The fish shouldn't cost that much, and I wouldn't be factoring that into the tank start up cost.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:12 PM   #6
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MTS - 40g Tiger Barb tank or saltwater tank?

Here is my breakdown for reef.
Tank- $55
Skimmer- $180
Powerheads- $60
Heater- $40 (depending on where you live and where you keep your AC)
Lights: $185
Rock- $85 50lbs base
Sand- $40 50lbs (in my area at least)
Test kits: $75API master test kit, and then Calcium Alk Phosphate and Magnesium from Red Sea or Salifert.
Refractometer for salinity: $20-30
Total: $750 + tax.
Which is the same as your estimate for FOWLR?
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Thanks for all the info, good to know the rock is less than expected. I'm ok waiting for it to become live rock.

After freshwater it is a little shocking to see the prices on some of these fish though I would definitely stick to the cheaper end and I prefer farm raised so I don't feel like I am endangering a species...

I do have an api freshwater kit so I could just add the mg and phosphate kits.

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Yeah, the API freshwater are the same tests as the salt water.
In this hobby patience is key. As long as you keep up with your WC most should be fine.
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I would stick with the 40. I like the extra width for aquascapping. 12" it is hard to do anything other then a pile of rocks. Just my .02
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I would stick with the 40. I like the extra width for aquascapping. 12" it is hard to do anything other then a pile of rocks. Just my .02

Is it you're .02 cents or what you've heard? The 12" can make plenty interesting aquascape, and the 55 is better for the FOWLR type fish the OP is looking at. I have a 55 myself, and have never found aquascaping an issue.
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