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Old 06-09-2013, 11:51 PM   #11
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What would be the point of that? Either the LFS trolling me OR you stating it that way... Hence, me not understanding what you meant. I've heard the info from more than 1 source. How about some support info in your accusation.
I appreciate your info. Don't let a few disparaging remarks that have no value hinder you.
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:53 PM   #12
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Here is an interesting thread discussing the subject... there are much less inconveniencing ways to buffer your top off water than using salt mix.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1740810
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:24 AM   #13
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All: thanks for the replies. I'm sure I will have many more questions as I go. It's great to have such a nice forum for discussion

I'm gonna start cleaning the stuff up tomorrow!

@rossv: on the (dead) live rock I took out... Do I need to scrub it down with anything? Is just rinsing w water sufficient? The second owner told me the rock itself isn't really live... Just called that. It's the sand that spawns the critters that eventually grow. Not saying she's right, just trying to learn and figure out if I need to buy more. I've supposedly got about $2,000 worth of the stuff. Is there a ratio or percentage of the tank that should be rock?

And while we are talking about water.... This will sound really silly, but is RO water just the big 5 gallon jugs you buy at those self serve dispensers or that the culligan man delivers or do you go to pet store?

Do I mix it w salt in a bucket to get it salty? Or does it go in those bottom reservoirs first then cycle up through the main tank?

What size pump should I have for a 75 gallon tank?

@ tango: looking forward to learning with you. I've wanted a saltwater tank for about 20 years now

Final question for the night: when cleaning out tank, should I try to get all of the white salt deposits off the tube( not the right word) that comes up through the tank in the back corner?

Sorry , one more: do I need to worry about condensation or salty buildup or wetness of any kind on my furniture- floor or the area surrounding the tank? I had a freshwater that sat on a sofa table and even with a hood, the evaporation ( i guess) took the finish off my table

Aw heck, I'm gonna keep going: where do you all have your tanks? Living room , office, special room? What do you like best and how handy does a sink- drain need to be?

That's it for now!
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:54 AM   #14
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If there is dried up algae or anything like that on the outside you can scrub it off. If it looks relatively clean, then just let it soak for a little bit, take it out and dunk it a few times, and you'll be good to go. The "live" part is just referring to the bacteria that grows on the rock. Usually the "critters" come from live rock, but they can come from sand also if you get it from an established tank. You will definetly want to buy some more live rock so you get all the pods, feather dusters, corralline algae, etc. that adds to the diversity of the microflora/fauna of the tank. Eventually the stuff will spread from the live rock to the base rock and you won't be able to tell a difference. As far as how much rock, most people suggest around 1.5 lbs of rock per gallon. It will be the main part of your biological filtration so if you have room and it looks aesthetically pleasing, the more the better.

RO stands for reverse osmosis. I actually use one of those 5 gallon jugs and fill it up at a meijer near me that has a unit for people to use for drinking water. I'm not sure if culligan or other drinking water places use straight RO or if they add minerals and stuff for taste.

When mixing saltwater, you will want to do it in a bucket or something like that. Mix it up, throw in a powerhead (and heater if you want), get the salinity right, and then let it sit for a while before you add it in.

As far as what size pump for a 75... use a search engine to look up "recommended gallons per hour for a saltwater tank" or something like that and it will give you an idea of how much flow you need. You will want that to be from multiple sources too, not just one powerhead.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:00 PM   #15
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All: thanks for the replies. I'm sure I will have many more questions as I go. It's great to have such a nice forum for discussion

I'm gonna start cleaning the stuff up tomorrow!

...The second owner told me the rock itself isn't really live... Just called that. It's the sand that spawns the critters that eventually grow. Not saying she's right, just trying to learn and figure out if I need to buy more. I've supposedly got about $2,000 worth of the stuff. Is there a ratio or percentage of the tank that should be rock?

And while we are talking about water.... This will sound really silly, but is RO water just the big 5 gallon jugs you buy at those self serve dispensers or that the culligan man delivers or do you go to pet store?

Do I mix it w salt in a bucket to get it salty? Or does it go in those bottom reservoirs first then cycle up through the main tank?

What size pump should I have for a 75 gallon tank?

@ tango: looking forward to learning with you. I've wanted a saltwater tank for about 20 years now

Final question for the night: when cleaning out tank, should I try to get all of the white salt deposits off the tube( not the right word) that comes up through the tank in the back corner?

Sorry , one more: do I need to worry about condensation or salty buildup or wetness of any kind on my furniture- floor or the area surrounding the tank? I had a freshwater that sat on a sofa table and even with a hood, the evaporation ( i guess) took the finish off my table

Aw heck, I'm gonna keep going: where do you all have your tanks? Living room , office, special room? What do you like best and how handy does a sink- drain need to be?

That's it for now!
Yes, it really is a nice forum when it's nice. Don't let anybody on here ever discourage you from asking any questions. Sometimes it can be intimidating to ask b/c there's definitely some superiority complex going on w/ some of the more experienced fish keepers.

Live Rock is called base rock when it's not alive, but you want it to become alive. People "cure" their rock by putting it in tubs w/ saltwater & power heads before putting it in their tank (hopefully to let the not-so-good critters to run their course) or they cycle it in the new tank. Live Rock is a place for good bacteria grow as well as other critters--how to get the other critters on is something I need to look into it myself! IDK the ratio of rock to tank, I know I need 50lbs more & have quite a bit!! I haven't weighed it.

RO/DI... I've read that RO/DI from other sources could possibly not be 100% pure so you should check w/ the company on their purification processes as well as Distilled water b/c they could be using copper piping which wouldn't be good for your invertebrates! IDK... But I would think mixing salt in the sump (bottom reservoir) would not be good! You mix the salt in a separate container, let it aerate w/ bubbler and/or power head(s) 12-24 hrs (I always do at least 24 hrs, I even aerate saltwater I've just brought home from LFS). Freshly mixed saltwater can burn your fish, etc in your tank. IDK about the size pump, I rely on my LFS to tell me-- I truly trust them. Also I bought mine on emergency as my pump broke in the move! As your supplies have sat a bit, you may wanna check everything is sealed up nicely. I was shocked touching the sump b/c water was getting inside the submersible pump.

As for "salt creep" (I think it's classified as that)... I'd clean it as needed. I prefer there to be no salt on things but that's b/c I have time for it & I figure it's easier to clean daily/every few days than a big job doing it every quarter. I just had to clean the salt off my plexi on my tube lights & inside... plexi was basically attached via salt! I will definitely be wiping the light regularly to prevent it getting that bad again. I imagine you need to be careful the salt isn't falling back into the tank as you wipe also.

I have 2 tanks in my family room and 1 in each child's bedroom, so 5 total. And I almost bought another at the Flea Market this past Saturday!! I'm actually on used fishtank watch for several friends b/c my daughter has Guppys Galore, man do those things like to have babies! I'm really considering getting rid of all my FW, at least the kids' tanks if/when they are ok w/ it b/c I'm spending so much time on the SW tank. It makes me sad but the kids focus on the SW a lot too so maybe it's best we just concentrate on one & financially. As for damage to furniture, I do not have any issues. My large tanks are on their appropriately sized stands (any water probably hits the tile & walls) & on tile floors--I just had the walls painted w/ eggshell a couple of months ago, so no effects there (yet!). I always have a big towel or two handy to wipe surfaces that get wet when I'm tending the tank-- the stand, floor, etc. The smaller tanks are on dressers & desks, haven't had an issue w/ furniture being damaged but they're all hooded w/ HOBs. And water changes really aren't messy. I use buckets, even for the big tank to remove water for the water change. I suppose a longer hose straight to a drain would be GREAT! But I like to rinse things from the tank in old tank water just incase they contain a lil beneficial bacteria, don't want to kill any good things off by shocking them w/ different water parameters if I used new saltwater or fresh water/tap water, etc.

I hope all this helps. I like being told *why* people do what they do, not just Yes or No or "Do this..." So this is why this is so wordy. Good luck!! KUP!
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Regarding the top off water (to salt or not)...as long as you understand that salt does not evaporate and continuously adding more salt will increase your salinity, you are okay. Keep a close eye on that, as you want that parameter to stay as constant as possible. You will lose salt from salt creep, so sometimes a lite extra wont hurt. I just use RO though and my tank stays pretty constant.

I've had tanks wreck furniture, but its usually been stuff that was not made for tanks (my kids dressers and such) and the damage was more from water getting on it during water changes or cleaning. My wood stands have always held up fine.

I've got four tanks, working on adding a fifth. All bedrooms and the living room. Kids tanks are freshwater, others are salt.
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For a 75 with a 1" overflow a mag 7 gives a nice flow. Checkout Melevs reef.com great info on sumps and fuges and little tips that prevent flooding if power goes out and such. If you can afford a rodi unit buy one I just got mine a few weeks ago no more running to get water and tests better than the lfs. They hookup right to your hose outside if you want about $180 for a decent one.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:21 PM   #18
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Regarding the top off water (to salt or not)...as long as you understand that salt does not evaporate and continuously adding more salt will increase your salinity, you are okay. Keep a close eye on that, as you want that parameter to stay as constant as possible. You will lose salt from salt creep, so sometimes a lite extra wont hurt. I just use RO though and my tank stays pretty constant.

I've had tanks wreck furniture, but its usually been stuff that was not made for tanks (my kids dressers and such) and the damage was more from water getting on it during water changes or cleaning. My wood stands have always held up fine.

I've got four tanks, working on adding a fifth. All bedrooms and the living room. Kids tanks are freshwater, others are salt.
Todd... We sound very similar! I can hook you up w/ a tank or two! Ha ha... Jk.

Callen... Definitely get yourself a hydrometer or refractometer whenever adding water and for after adding.

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For a 75 with a 1" overflow a mag 7 gives a nice flow. Checkout Melevs reef.com great info on sumps and fuges and little tips that prevent flooding if power goes out and such. If you can afford a rodi unit buy one I just got mine a few weeks ago no more running to get water and tests better than the lfs. They hookup right to your hose outside if you want about $180 for a decent one.
I had a Mag 7 which would've been $139 for me to replace at my LFS (since it was an emergency). I chose a $60 pump & plan to upgrade when it goes bad, the LFS said the only diff is how long it will last, the flow is the same. So it's like weighing the pros & cons, reliability & lifetime of the product may be more important to you. As I don't have corals or expensive stock & am home all the time, I feel like I can afford to skimp at the moment.

And I agree, get your own RO/DI system... Or just buy saltwater from the store (unless you have very specific salinity requirements for your stock. If you buy the RO/DI, then mix it yourself you still have the price of the salt to account for & no quality control over the RO/DI.
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I support my local lfs but when it comes to pumps, pheads and rodi units buy online. Great service and prices with Dr foster and smith, champion lighting for higher end and hard to find parts and bulk reef supply. But sometimes you have no choice. I just spend more money at my three lfs on corals and fish.
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I've never added salt to my top off water and I don't recall ever having a problem with ph. This is the first time I've heard of this.

I don't know if anyone asked this, but was that tank ever treated with copper based medication to treat ich?
If so, I would toss all of that rock and start from scratch. That copper may have settled in the rock and keeping sensitive inverts will end up being impossible.
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