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Old 01-07-2006, 02:53 AM   #11
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-NOT advise, just googled..If you can afford to be safe then sorry, do so-

Silicone in general doesn't react to the copper. The dye in the treatments might, but the copper that potentially is 'in' the silicone is a very very tiny amount (probably far less then you'd get through normal tap water in a copper piped house).

-googlisms over-

I can see this being more of an issue in a smaller tank, not in a larger one.
Definatly run many cycles of pure water and vinegar through.
From what I have read, the copper gets more into the calcerous materials (rocks and substrate) and they can never be used again.

That all said, I know copper is a bad thing for marine (invert?) life, don't take it lightly..

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This post got me very interested in copper and it's effect on the basics OF the tank.
Major maufacturers of silicon(e) sealent state the bonding ability of the silicon(e) used in aquariums is negligible aka 'food grade'.
Lots of hersay stated that copper will 'bond to anything, including glass'. Yet, many glass manufacturers state the glass and copper only bond at certain high temps.
Still reading, still exploring...still say better safe then sorry...

Oh (another edit) and it'd be avisable to use an activated carbon to remove the copper during your water cycling weeks.. from what I am seeing, any copper that'd leach out would be absorbed by it... we can figure it was not a full tank of some copper based med, so if there is absorbtion, it's fairly low residual (once the tank was properly scrubbed and rinsed).

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Yet more.. the older the sealant (All-Glass Aquarium specific, which seems to be the same as door & window sealant) the more likely it is to absorb copper (or anything for that matter).
Guess light and heat over time makes it pseudo permiable.


(and hopefully no one flames this, I'm just trying to help by digging as deep into the subject and posting what I find)
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Old 01-10-2006, 03:10 AM   #12
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Wow, I really appreciate all of your checking into it for me...I plan on scrubbing everything down tomorrow, and re plumbing the tank. A lfs told me I would "probably" be ok just leaving as it is, or if I am concerned to try putting another layer of silicone over the top of the existing silicone, sealing the copper in, and keeping the integrity of the tank...the lfs also thought the possible amount of copper that could be left over would be next to nothing.

Does anyone know if there is a test to find the copper? take a little silicone off and mix it with another chemical that would produce a reaction? Hopefully there is a chemist out there!

Thanks a ton to everyone, and Feron, thanks for all of the research! I plan on looking closely at the silicone once it is all clean and see if there is any tint to it, to help me assess what kind of problem I may be facing.

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I just hope it's good research lol
I dare say that covering the silicone with another layer will probably be like adding a layer of insurance.
The only thing I can think of to test is to have the tank with nothing in it, fill it with water, let the thing cycle mechanically for about a week, then do a copper test and see if there are any detectable signs.
It's a pain, it's short duration, but I guess it'd tell you if there are super high levels present.
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gl with it all! Let us know how it goes!
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Well, got the plumbing in today, (for the most part) and No Leaks! After I scrubbed the tank, the silicone looks nice and clear, no orange tint to it. I had to take the corner overflow's off so I could get to some plumbing and need to silicone those back in - so I am going to go ahead and put another layer on the rest of the tank...figure it is a lot easier to do now than later! Once I get the overflows back on, then I will run the tank for a while, right now without them, if my pump stops my wet/dry is gonna dump 180 gals on the floor and that would be a heck of a mess! Plus I had to drain and dry to prepare to silicone anyway. Work is gonna keep me from getting much more done for the next week... But I feel like I have gotten a good start and feel confident in the direction now! Thanks to all!
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