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Old 06-25-2008, 01:32 PM   #41
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You should try multiple methods of control. CAREFULL Manual removal, nutrient suppression, and lack of light. Check out this article for more information.
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:13 PM   #42
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Good link. I find more frequent PWCs are a great "quick cure" for quite a number of ailments in SW.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:59 PM   #43
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I did a 20% water change (about 6-7gallons) and also sucked out most of them. This was last night. Now today some of them (but not most) are back... My testing looks good

Temp - 80
PH -8
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 20
KH - 161.1

I'm going to buy a "cleaning crew tomorrow" and hoping that will also help.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:03 PM   #44
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any cleaning crew recommendations? remember it's only a 34gallon tank
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:58 PM   #45
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SNAILS:

Nassarius Snails - Nassarius spp. They mostly stay in the sand, but will sometimes make short trips up the glass. They are mainly detritus eaters and do an excellent job cleaning and shifting the sand. These are also some of the most hardy snails available. They can flip themselves upright very easily. They are fun to watch as they come bursting out of the sand bed at feeding time.

Onyx Nassarius -Ilyanassa spp. (Black Mud Snail, Black Nassarius Snail ) snails are very good at keeping sand beds completely clean of algae as well as other organics. They may occasionally strip a sand bed of enough nutrients that there will be none left to support copepod or amphipod populations. If you keep dragonets (e.g. Mandarins) that rely on healthy populations of copepods and amphipods do not get these.

Cerith Snails-Cerithium spp. (Cortez) - Good algae and detritus eaters that forage rock, glass, and sand. Some can pick themselves up and some cant.

Cerith Snails (White)- Good algae and detritus eaters that seem to stay in the sand more than the cortez, but can be found on the rock and glass. Once again, some can pick themselves up and others cant. These are good sand bed snails.

Astrea Snails -Astraea tecta: Most common of all saltwater tank snails. They are excellent algae eaters and will forage all over the rock, sand, and glass. These guys fall very easily, can not right themselves, and then die.

Margarita Snail - Margarites pupillus. (Stomatella Limpet Snail, Pearl Snail, Little Margarite Snail, Pearly Topped Snail ) Another snail to add to the algae eating aresnal. Will cruise around on the rock and glass.

Fighting Conchs - Strombus gibberulus. Little vacuum cleaners. One per 2 sq. ft. of sand. They'll eat diatoms and, sometimes, cyano. Get one per 2 sq. feet of tank is what was recommened to me. They tend to disappear behind the rocks for a few days then come back around to the front again.

Nerite Snails - Nerita spp. Mostly a rock and glass snail that are all about the algae. They may crawl above the water line of your tank as they often become exposed in the wild during low tide. Mine usually end up in the sump where they can get above the water line and come back down when they want to.

Turbo Snails : They are big and clumsy. They'll knock over or move anything that isn't glued/nailed down. Actually I had one knock a coral frag that was glued to a a plug right off the plug. But, they will attack hair algea. Mine are now escargot size.

Banded Trochus - Trochus spp. (Tiger Trochus Snail, Banded Trochus Snail, Black and White Snail, Spiral-Top Snail ) Algae eating machines. Ideal size, won't knock over corals/rock, and can move very fast. Will also eat hair algae.
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Wow, Cmor, your list has gained a few more critters! Awesome post!
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Wow that is great information. Thank you so much! I'm reading for snails you should get 1 for every gallon, is that correct?

I'm thinking (just thinking right now.. will have to sleep on it). that I will get

- 1 fighting conch
- 15 Nassarius Snails
- 10 Astrea snails
- 5 banded trochus

So when a snail die's... do I have to find it and take out of the tank or just let nature take it's course?
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From what I'm reading you have a temperature problem.... Pacificcoastimports.com has a CL-Mini Chiller that works great on your size tank (I have a 20Gal Biocube with this chiller) and it's not extremely expensive. Around $270. You might want to look into it.
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i will check out that chiller but only want to spend $ on one if it's 100% necessary. I don't have my fan set up yet so i'm hoping that drops the temp 4deg. if it does I will run about 79. I should be getting the fan today... it's a set of 4 4'' fans that clip on the back.

Hmmm, maybe ebay even has a used chiller like the one you mentioned - i'm going to check that out too.
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1 snail per gallon is about right, and I like your list of snails.
Are you still having a temp problem. You need to get that under control before adding livestock. 78 -82 is tolerable but you really want to maintain temp within 2 degrees (+/- 1)
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