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Old 07-19-2011, 04:53 AM   #61
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The point is your paying for a lot of pump youre not using, and for the elec. as well. It may not damage the pump with a t and ball but, it costs extra to run without benefit

Any pump worth having will give you the specs straight out, i looked at magdrive pumps cuz they are very popular and highly recommended. If you look at the 9.5 closest to what is being recommended for you by others, its still 800gph at 4ft head height, the extra cost is not worth it to waste imo.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:53 AM   #62
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Forgot the link in the last post... sorry.
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:41 AM   #63
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hye coffeetwitch....
JMO, i would definitely go with your idea...have a "tee" with a ball valve to handle the return water...this is the way to avoid mechanical problems...if u add a ball valve to reduce the water going up to DT so that your overflow wont have a problem, this will only give the pump more pressure...other option will be no "tee" and ball valve...juz go ahead with 900gph...and DIY your plumbing so that it can help u to become a powerhead/wavemaker inside the DT....but for sure u need a 600gph overflow....JMO
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:54 AM   #64
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Those are only what should happen, but in reality the pump won't even pump the 950gph with 0 feet. Anyways, with the t joint, the water goes through the macro algae again so that the water can get the phosphates and nitrates removed. But yeah 900 gph was a rough estimate anyways. An 800 gph pump would probably do well too.
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:57 AM   #65
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usually with mechanical pieces theoretics are not used, but actual data. I used to be a forklift technician and learned quite a bit about hydraulic systems, whether its water or oil being pumped is not in question but specs are specs and typically if a hydraulic pump claims 950, its going to pump 950.
I agree 750/800 is prob clost to what he is looking for after a 4ft head height, although each pump will react differently to backpressure so it is always good to check the specs, and as I said previously if its worth having there will be a spec sheet on it somewhere, if you cant find one for the pump you want I'd suggest moving on to one that has one.
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You can also bypass a skimmer if you do more regular water changes. For example nano aquarist might do a water change weekly since having a skimmer might not be an option due to space.
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I would like to use a protien skimmer if its usefull. And i looked at eheim pumps and one is rated at 640 gph. Power useage is rated at 65 watts same as thier 900 gph
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I honestly would not get a protein skimmer, or at least not initially. I would just go with the chaeto algae in the refugium and see where it goes from there. If you have nitrates and phosphates then you should definitely get a skimmer. If you don't, then you just saved money.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:24 AM   #69
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Here is the pump I got for my system.
Aquarium Water Circulation and Water Pumps: Taam Rioģ HyperFlow

I also looked at the mag drives but was unwilling to fork over $150 or more for a pump. lol They do come highly rated though.

My plan is to have a backup return pump since I got a cheaper one. Still will come out less than a mag drive. I already have a pump that'll run a few hundred gph in case of an immediate need though.

As far as a skimmer. I would say wait a bit until everything has come together before adding one. It's a must in my opinion if you plan on keeping corals but for the fish only thing it's just an added bonus to have.

Were you making the sump yourself? This thread has me confused and I forgot what you decided. lol

Either way, I would window shop skimmers now to see their dimensions. You dont' wanna get a sump put together only to find the skimmer you planned on doesn't fit. My skimmer goes in kinda sideways but does actually fit. For the most part anyway.

Hope that helps a bit.
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I got my return pump from petsmart lol. It was about the same price as the mag pump of similar gph but was cheaper because of lack of shipping. It was an impulse buy since I was already there returning the s**ty powerhead that broke the day I got it....
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