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Old 12-07-2004, 04:20 AM   #1
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New to SW - Looking to get 40g tank

I'm a total noobie to this hobbie but I've always loved fish and had wanted to get started in it. Been reading AA for about a month now and there is sooo much great info and advise.

I'm thinking of getting a 40g Uniquarium or the Sea Clear system II. Both have a built in wet/dry filter.

I have a few questions regarding this kind of setup...

1. Anyone using a Uniquarium or the System II? How is the built in filter and how much real estate am i losing to the built in system...(i.e. - will i my 40g setup only hold 30g of water?...so should i get a bigger one?)

2. Would i be better off getting just a regular 40g tank and get separate filter system?

3. Besides the tank, filter, stand, LR, sand, heater, etc..., will i need other things such as a protein skimmer or any other equipment?

Right now...in my 6g tank...I have a Yellow Clown Goby and a small Sebae Clown. I want to get more fish but i don't want to keep them unhappy/unhealthy in a small tank. How long do I have to have my new setup cycle before i can get my fish in?

Thanks for any and all info.
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Old 12-07-2004, 07:37 AM   #2
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Not a ton of info for you but,
1. Never used one, but I believe some manufacturers rate the tank volume based on the actual display volume. So a 40g tank would have 40g + whatever the filter holds. Email them and ask. As for size, I'm big on going with the largest you can afford/have room for. Big tanks give a little more fudge room while you're learning the ropes.
2. That's up to you. What's best for me and my plans may not be best for you and yours. Separate filtration by way of sump does give a little flexibility the built ins may be lacking.
3. Maybe, it depends on what your goals are, filtration method and what your livestock will be. A skimmer is not a requirement for all tanks, but is a good idea for them. Same with RO filters, good lighting...
4. You have to cycle the tank until the cycle is done. It could be days, could be months. But expect 4-12 weeks for a full and complete cycle on a completely fresh setup using nothing but bare sand and base rock. Every tank and every cycle is unique, so there's no hard and fast time frame. Only the tests will tell. Do wait until you are setup in a larger tank before adding any more livestock.

There you go. I said a lot and didn't answer anything. I should go into politics.
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Old 12-07-2004, 09:46 PM   #3
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Indy,

Thank you for your advise. I'll look further into my options as far as the size of the tank and what i should get.

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Old 12-07-2004, 10:12 PM   #4
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I have had very good luck so far with my setup (similar size as what your wanting.) Check out my signature and my gallery!

The Canister Filter keeps things really clean. Its a good alternitive on a small tank to a wet/dry filtration system.
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Old 12-07-2004, 10:17 PM   #5
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This is a good place to get info. Good luck w/ your new aquarium. Im just starting out myself too.
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Old 12-07-2004, 10:30 PM   #6
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If you're going to have LR in the tank, you may not need the wet/dry. I'm always suspicious of "built in" filtration, but that's JMHO. Beware that acrylic tanks scratch very easily too. If I were going to set up a 40g tank, I'd probably go with a glass tank and spend the money I saved on a good skimmer. My recommendation would be an Aqua C Remora or, if you have a sump, an Aqua C Urchin. Get the Maxi Jet pump if you decide to go this route...much better than the Rio. You'll want to review what you want to keep in the tank before you decide on a lighting system too.
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:05 AM   #7
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what did you have in mind in the fish department?
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Old 12-08-2004, 02:51 PM   #8
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Rocket,

Haven't figured out what kind of fish I want to get yet. If my little guys in my 6g tank survive...I'll definitely move them. I just fear that they may not survive since they don't seem to be eating at all...at least from what I can tell. I guess I'll have to visit some local shops around here and hope I find some new and interesting fish that catches my eyes.

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Old 12-08-2004, 03:33 PM   #9
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be careful and do alot of research. Many fish sold at pet stores get WAY to big for a 40 gallon tank. as soon as you come up with a list, come here and let us take a look.
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Old 12-08-2004, 03:55 PM   #10
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As far as fish load I would have to be honest with you and tell you that you will not be able to house 85% of the fish you see and want with a 40gal tank. Salt water fish are indeed beautiful but some of the most beautiful fish either require large tanks or expert owners. Most LFS will not tell you that, they will just try to sell you a fish. The thing is with Saltwater the fish are more expensive and mistake can become very costly and make you run for the hill, as far as, continuing in the hobby. My advice would be too stick with some of the smaller cheaper fish (damsels, clowns, etc) until you get a hang of the hobby and become more knowledgeable in the areas of: Disease control and treatment, Water quality maintenance and control, fish behavior and diet. One of the biggest and most costly mistakes people make is to over load there tank with fish they purchased on impulse with out actually knowing the required tank capacity and what tank mates they could and could not have. Believe me…I’m speaking from experience. I had the best looking tank you can imagine when I first started, but for only one week because I had no idea of what I was doing. You can start with the links below. They will give you a little bio on each fish. Try to stick with the fish in the easy care level range. Some those moderate care level fish are some what difficult for beginners (Angels in particular). Read through this form and get an idea of what other people are facing so you have a better Idea of what you are getting in to. Also, be prepared to fight off parasites and other fish diseases. Last but not least…QURINTINE EVERY THING. It will save you time and money in the end. Have lots of patience and read as much as you can and you will be ok.

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