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Old 10-31-2010, 02:45 AM   #11
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hye steve...

if im not mistake in my calculation, both your sump and tank size shud be 28/29gallons...about the location, let the expert answer ir for you coz im not master in location..as long as my tank can fit, i put it there.....DSB or deep sand bed, here is the link might be help.....

DSB (Deep Sand Bed) or No DSB?

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Old 11-03-2010, 05:47 PM   #12
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I would still have reservations about putting a tank in there. Even if you miss a small spot it could result in water seeping in there and causing problems. It may be possible but if it would me i would find a differnt place to start a new tank.

Putting your "2nd tank" over by the window shouldn't be a problem. The natural light might help your coral a bit but as you said it will also benifit algae. I wouldn't worry to much about that because you will have stong lighting over the tank for the coral anyway so if algae is going to grow it will have all the light it needs. Just have to keep your nutrient levels down so you don't have algae problems.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:20 PM   #13
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What do you mean by a deep sand bed? How deep is deep? 6 inches? I afraid that will take up too much water volume from the sump unless I partition an area and divide the sump somewhere in the middle. How is this deep sand bed help in reducing nitrate? No water if flowing thru it? Sorry too many questions.

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Im no marine keeper but ive done a fair bit of reading on the subject. DSB are usually no more than 3 inches to help prevent gas buildup in the sand which can be harmful.
Usually a sump is already divided into sections and the sand goes into the refugium section along calepra and afew inverts like shrimp, snails, crabs. Also with a refugium in the sump you will need a light over the calepra on 24/7 forcing it to grow and helping absorb nitrates.
Heres a picture of a fully divided sump and lighting.

As you can see the water comes from the main tank to the right side of the sump where the protein skimer is located, it is then skimmed and passed through BioBalls where it then runs into the refugium, bubble trap then back to the main tank.
Refugiums are also good for having a safe place to grow copepods and other small inverts that fish feed off without their numbers dwindeling due to the fish eating them all. The Copepods are then whisked through the system and into the main tank for the fish to feed on. A good constant supply of natural food.
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Im no marine keeper but ive done a fair bit of reading on the subject. DSB are usually no more than 3 inches to help prevent gas buildup in the sand which can be harmful.
Usually a sump is already divided into sections and the sand goes into the refugium section along calepra and afew inverts like shrimp, snails, crabs. Also with a refugium in the sump you will need a light over the calepra on 24/7 forcing it to grow and helping absorb nitrates.
Heres a picture of a fully divided sump and lighting.
Not quite correct in my opinion. DSB is usually considered more then three inches. Less than that and it does not contirbute to taking out nitrates as much. Don't get me wrong, it would still be of benifit to put in a sand bed less then three inches for a variety of reasons. Gas build up is not a problem in a sand bed that is set up properly with a diversity of life to turn over the sand bed. Unfortunatly, there is a ton of misinformation about deep sand beds.

Here is an article that is a bit more technical written by a phd who is an expert on the subject as well as marine invertebrates.
How Sandbeds REALLY Work by Ronald L. Shimek, Ph.D. - Reefkeeping.com

And another one that summerizes the benifits and how to set up a DSB
Reefkeeping 101 - Natural Filtration - Part 2 by Tom Murphy (aka WaterKeeper) - Reefkeeping.com

There are a few other articles i trust but it would take a while to dig them up. I personally believe there is a great benifit to having a deep sand bed but you should do your reasearch and draw your own conclusions. If you are going to put a DSB in your tank i would suggest you put it in the sump and have a shallower 2-3 inch sand bed in your display tank so it doesn't take up as much room.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:56 AM   #15
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Hi Pat,

Sorry was busy recently.

I have to say thank you for your comments and input on the "1st" tank. I forgot to say the picture I posted was taken some years ago and now that there is a piano sits next to the stairs and next to the furniture/cabinet. The high humidity will do no good to the piano too and maybe the evaporated salt would get into, condensed and settled at the piano too. I have decided to forgo the 1st tank as per your advice. I can't risk the piano.

About DSB, I will go for 2-3 inches for the display tank as you advised and 3-5 inches at the sump.

For the sump I am thinking if I should divide it into 3 sections. One for wet/dry filter with bio balls, the middle refugium with the sand and then protein skimmer before pumping back to main tank. I am not sure if the wet/dry is doing any good. I am thinking since the protein skimmer requires height might as well also have a tower wet/dry filter. The fall of water into the wet/dry tower will increase more oxygen getting into the water? Or should I do away with the wet/dry so as to have a bigger space for sand and LR?

Sorry too many questions.
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hey steve...

did u know that LFS at puchong..???
u might go there in future to find LS....
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No, I don't know. Where? Puchong is big. Address please, I want to go as soon as possible or now!
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:21 PM   #18
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Thanks. Getting excited. I will be there this weekend and hope to see something new.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:36 PM   #20
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my pleasure.....anyway.....u may join our local web for marine.....
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