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Old 07-27-2006, 02:29 PM   #1
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Newbie needs help with tank

We're going to start a freshwater tank soon and I need help getting the right fish that are most compatible together. We're going to get somewhere between a 20-40 gallon tank. We definitely want angel fish. Years ago, we had angel fish and gouramis leaving peacefully together, but we want to add other fish as well. Any tips on what fish to get, what substrate and plants will work well are greatly appreciated.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:44 PM   #2
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I know one thing and one thing only about freshwater angel fish: they get to 6" or so. Get the 40 gallon tank.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:49 PM   #3
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i have seen angels the size of dinner plates.
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Angels get huge...I wouldn't put one in anything less than a 20g high...and that's only for one. If you want a pair, I'd go with atleast a 29g or bigger. If you want to get a group, you could have 4 in a 55g (hey bigger is better). Alot of people have problems when they have 2 or 3 in a small tank because they can be aggressive with each other so the more space you can give them, the better. They also make smaller tanks look tiny...because they get so tall.

If you want a planted tank, regular small gravel (2-3mm) will work. If you want to get more technical about it you can get substrates made for plants, such as Eco-Complete or Flourite...check out the planted forum for more about them and plants.

For other fish, many tetras will work...go for the non-nippy ones (flame tetras, rummynose, head and tailights, black neons, lemons, diamond tetras....) the list goes on. Also, harlequin rasboras go well with angels also. You can also keep cories, loaches, and plecos with angels.
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Old 07-27-2006, 03:08 PM   #5
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i agree, get the largest tank you can for the angels. height is more important than length, i would think 40gal would be the minimum.
i have tetra's in my 55 with my angels and everyone gets along great. i'm told dwarf cichlid's make great angel companions too, if you want something with really nice colors.
i just switched to sand to the delight of all my fish, i highly reccomend it. if you can, get a cannister filter right off the bat; they're quieter and provide better filtration, imo, than other types.

welcome to aa!! best forum out there, you came to the right spot!
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Old 07-27-2006, 03:20 PM   #6
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Hi FrogsNPigs - welcome to AA !

If you definitely want angels you should definitely go with the 40Gallon tank, larger if possible

There are lots of good resources on the web that can help you.

The first one I'm going to recommend is on "fishless cycling". Cycling a tank this way allows you to build your "good bacteria" colony to allow the conversion of ammonia to nitrites to nitrates, which ammonia being the most toxic and nitrates the least. It will also allow you to add practically your entire stocking list once the cycle is complete. If you cycle "with fish" then you're in for a very long haul of adding one or two fish every few weeks with lots and lots of water changes.
here's the link to the article (it says its for saltwater but it works for freshwater also)
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=15

The second one I'm going to recommend is a place where you can view all the types of freshwater fish that might be available to you. They list the water parameters (pH and hardness) that are in the natural environment for the species. They also list some compatible species, so you could look up Angelfish and go from there
http://fishprofiles.com

Once you come up with a list of fish that you think you're interested in post it in another topic and you'll receive great feedback from the folks in the forum

As for plants - that really depends on what type of lighting you have. You can grow a greater variety of plants under higher light, but then you need to consider fertilization dosing and potentially adding CO2. If you read the stickies in the planted tank forum you'll get alot of good information and you can post your followup questions there.

Sounds like you're going to have alot of fun with this tank I wish you well and lots of enjoyment
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Harlequin rasboras - six or more - these fish are fun to watch and are friendly and hardy. My thought on tank size is to get a bigger tank. I just setup a 42 gallon and already want a much larger tank. Electric yellow cichlids are a beautiful fish, but I am not sure if you could put them in with Angel Fish. Good luck and take your time!
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Thank you all so much for the help, I really appreciate it. You all are a great group of people, I look forward to chatting with you as I go through the process of creating my aquarium. We just started looking at tanks, and so far the 20-40 gallons are in our price range. We are going to get the biggest we can find for an affordable price, so hopefully we'll stumble on a bigger tank that's not too expensive. I'll look into the links you provided, I'm excited to get this started!
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I would check local garage sales, neighbors, newspaper, etc. Alot of people have tanks/stands in storage. Some will give you the equipment if you pick it up. If you buy used, fill the tank up completely and let it sit for a day, check for leaks!
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I agree with ksfishguy. I bought one of my 55g from an individual that ran an ad in the newspaper. Check the classifieds and also check online at Craigslist. Last week there were atleast 3 tanks around 60g that were each around $100....and stand included, in my local newspaper...great deals are out there. The tanks will be used (99% of the time) but used tanks are still ok to use.
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