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Old 06-07-2013, 12:13 PM   #11
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Is it illegal to take beach sand?? Be careful! There may be fines! I've thought of beach sand & live rock from beaches and have been looking it up.

Another thought that has been on my mind being that I just purchased a used tank & stock just moved it to my house, is if my CUC (clean up crew) up to snuff for my tank. Something to think about & that's snails, hermit crabs, star fish, etc but what you'll stock your tank w/ all plays a part in what you choose for your CUC--don't want certain stars if you'll have a reef eventually, etc. Sand needs to be stirred & cleaned unlike other substrates & CUC do this for you. I've always wanted to try sand, so here I go, diving right in!

AND... about plants... You can keep plants with light in your sump or refugium if you get one & they help w/ removing NitrAtes. I'm a FW planted tank kinda person & can't wait to get plants in my SW system!! Old habits die hard
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Quite honestly, you don't really need a CUC at all. Sand does not need to be stirred unless you keep a DSB, which IMO, is 4" or better.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:32 PM   #13
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Quite honestly, you don't really need a CUC at all. Sand does not need to be stirred unless you keep a DSB, which IMO, is 4" or better.
Really??? My tank's sand bed is probably an inch (I'd like to make it thicker) but it has some anaerobic pockets even with my several hermit crabs & snails :\
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Really??? My tank's sand bed is probably an inch (I'd like to make it thicker) but it has some anaerobic pockets even with my several hermit crabs & snails :\
Sure you don't NEED a cuc, but it really helps if you have a missing fish you don't know is dead or not. The dead fish would decompose and create waste, raising nitrates. With a cuc, they'll clean up that dead fish right away. Nassarius snails and brittle or serpents stars are the best at doing this in my experience.
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Really??? My tank's sand bed is probably an inch (I'd like to make it thicker) but it has some anaerobic pockets even with my several hermit crabs & snails :\
You are not going to get any anaerobic benefit from a 1" sand bed. Nor will it kill your tank if it's not stirred.

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Sure you don't NEED a cuc, but it really helps if you have a missing fish you don't know is dead or not. The dead fish would decompose and create waste, raising nitrates. With a cuc, they'll clean up that dead fish right away. Nassarius snails and brittle or serpents stars are the best at doing this in my experience.

Whether a starfish eats a dead fish or it just sits there, you are still going to have to remove that waste. It doesn't just disappear. If that was the case, we would never have to do water changes or use protein skimmers!
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Ahh... I guess it's just 1 of those many debates. Just curious... mr_X, do you not have any CUC in your tanks or are you just stating a matter of fact that it's not necessary? Not being confrontational just like to know my stuff & learn from other people's experiences. Thanks for your input!
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I don't see CUC as a debate, but more personal preference. Mr X is absolutely correct that waste needs to be removed either way. It does not disappear just because a snail or crab eats it. That snail or crab will expel waste and you are right back to having waste again. If you like little critters, then go for it. I've had them in reef tanks, but never in my FOWLRs.
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Whether a starfish eats a dead fish or it just sits there, you are still going to have to remove that waste. It doesn't just disappear. If that was the case, we would never have to do water changes or use protein skimmers![/QUOTE]

Sometimes the fish will die hiding. Wouldn't it be more effective for the cuc to remove the waste instead of the protein skimmer taking days to remove the organic waste?
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Whether a starfish eats a dead fish or it just sits there, you are still going to have to remove that waste. It doesn't just disappear. If that was the case, we would never have to do water changes or use protein skimmers!
Sometimes the fish will die hiding. Wouldn't it be more effective for the cuc to remove the waste instead of the protein skimmer taking days to remove the organic waste?[/QUOTE]
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Ahh... I guess it's just 1 of those many debates. Just curious... mr_X, do you not have any CUC in your tanks or are you just stating a matter of fact that it's not necessary? Not being confrontational just like to know my stuff & learn from other people's experiences. Thanks for your input!
No CUC to speak of. In my 300 I have 2 sally lightfoot crabs, and no snails.

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Sometimes the fish will die hiding. Wouldn't it be more effective for the cuc to remove the waste instead of the protein skimmer taking days to remove the organic waste?
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The CUC isn't removing it though, is exactly my point.
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