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Old 01-06-2006, 11:46 PM   #11
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You need to slow down and take a breather. You will spend a lot less money that way, and you won't end up with dead fish and a bad experience.

Read this site for at least a couple of weeks before you buy anything else. Also, look around for another LFS. I have to drive 30 mins to find a good one. You will also get better deals for pretty much everything online.
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Old 01-08-2006, 02:08 AM   #12
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Ok well thanks for all the input guys. Here's an update:

I went and bought 3.5 lbs of LR. Yeah, I know its not a lot but everything is expensive in naples so ill have to deal with it until i get my next check lol.

So I went to my same LFS and bought the LR, which looks like crap compared to the rock they have in their display tanks. but I do believe it has quite a bit of life in it. If I can find a digital camera, I will try to take a picture and show you all. I really like how the tank is looking, even though there is basically nothing in it lol. I can't wait to put more.

I told the LFS what you guys told me and he says yea well most people in naples cycle their tanks with fish but he was ok with me cycling mine with LR and maybe 1 fish. I told him I would just like the LR for now He told me to come back in a few days for a fish

Now what I'm wondering is, will the LR cycle my tank? Or do I still need to throw in a shrimp? And is it absolutely nessicary to purchase all the PH, nitrate, nitrite, etc test kit, or can i just wait for a good two months before I put any fish in to guarantee the cycle is complete? I'd like to spend as little as possible with this, but I also don't want to sacrifice quality. So if i have to, tell me. And if you know of a good place to get one for cheap, lemme know lol

Oh and some guy in the LFS was telling me that when he first started out, he had a 29 gal just like me and that he had a single florecent just like me and he said his LR gave him a couple of corals and mushroom thingys and stuff with just that lighting...is it possible to get a little something with just my light? Is that true?

Anyway, I just thought I would update you guys on the progress and see if you had any tips or suggestions.

Thanks so much!
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Old 01-08-2006, 11:04 AM   #13
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Still sounds like your lfs is just out to make a buck. I’m surprised he didn’t try to sell you some high end lighting. If the lr was circulating in water than it’s probably not going to give you enough die off (or any) to cycle your tank. I’d still use the shrimp to cycle and yes you will have to buy a test kit. At the very least to test for nh3, no2, no3 & ph along with a hydrometer or refractor meter to measure the sg. A cheap floating hydrometer will be ok to start out with and for basic tests the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Saltwater Master Test Kit or the Red Sea Marine Lab are both good kits to start out with.

As far as lighting goes you could get some low light corals with your current setup but I’d wait 6+ months before adding any IMO.
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yea i think the only reason he didnt try to sell me the high end lighting is because i told him straigt up un the beginning that i didnt have the money for it and wasnt interested in it at the moment. I have a hydtometer and right now it reads 1.025. and i suppose ill go get that test kit. And i'll throw in that shrimp. should i expect cloudiness during the cycle?

and yea, i didnt plan on adding any corals soon i was just wondering if it was possible to get a little something with my light. I think I may actually get the lighting later though, what do you think of this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Current-USA-30-1...QQcmdZViewItem

is that worth $300? And the current cover/lighting i have for my aquarium is 30" so is tat right for this lighting? Would this mount onto my tank or would I have to hang it over it?
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Use about one third of a dead shrimp to cycle, since this is a small tank. Try to get something fresh and unfrozen, but certainly uncooked. Toss it in right away. Keep an eye on your salinity and water level,and be sure you have some water movement. Then let the tank sit for a few weeks.

I agree that you HAVE to buy test kits, but I don't see any reason to buy one this week, if you put the shrimp in now. The cycle won't be complete until sometime after the shrimp disappears, so you have some time if you want to save money for the moment.

You can also take your water in to be tested somewhere, but I expect this will be as expensive soon.

I advise saving the money on lighting and not getting corals for at LEAST 6 months after you have a fish. You will have a lot better idea of where you want to spend money after that point

Also, I was thinking that you should have 16 to 24 lb of LR (in a 16g, right?) and you really need to get this soon. One thing you may not know is that as long as you have SOME "real" LR, you can get by with "Dry" rock, if you can find it. www.hirocks.com has some GREAT stuff that's not too expensive (but it will take a while to get to you). This is rock that WAS part of a reef, but dried up. You should wash it off well and then put it in. It will become "real" live rock in months/years, but will work for filtration almost right away. In a small tank, the $35 box of small pieces may work for you. Also you can call them and see if they can put something together for you custom. $52 for a 30 lb box of the "good" stuff is even better and worth a lot more than anything the LFS will sell you.
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That ebay light seems kind of high for what you get. I was thinking of something more like this that would be enough light for just about any corals.
http://www.hellolights.com/302xcoaqpcho.html
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp...ROD&ProdID=210
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If money is tight right now the best thing to do is throw 1/2 shrimp in tank with pumps etc running and just keep it topped off for a couple weeks. In that couple weeks buy yourself a muti-test and if you have spare money buy more LR or better yet order a box of base rock like jaiden suggested. In 2-3 weeks check your NH3, NO2, NO3 levels. If NH3 and NO2 are undetectable but you do have NO3 do a WC to get the NO3 within a safe range and you will be able to add your first fish (also check your PH and ALK. Make sure it is stable). If you still have NH3 and NO2 wait a few more days and check it again. From what you described I would not even think of corals right now. It is going to be a few months before your tank is stable enough to try them. In that time save up for a new light fixture. I personally would stay away from aquatraders. They have a bad rep.
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IMO aquatraders is hit or miss, some people are happy with them and others are not. I really think it comes down to "you get what you pay for" Seems like he was looking for cheap which is why I pointed him in that direction as well as the more quality lights from hellolights

Brenden, were those moon lights you got from aquatraders junk?
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I have no complaints with the moon lights. Like you said hit and miss. The T5's I got were junk.
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is it ok if i already put it in then lol ?
Yes, you are ok with it in there. Just don't need to use it anymore til your cycle is complete. By then, you should have a better handle on how the ph is and may not even need it anymore. I wouldn't change out all the water just to get it out. Just leave it as is and no need to add any more.
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