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Old 05-18-2011, 04:00 PM   #11
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I use PFS and love it. Larger grain means when I vacuum it doesn't get sucked up and settles back down fast, it doesn't compact like PGS and like mentioned above the silica myth is IMO just that, a myth. My month and a half old FW 8g planted tank is showing zero signs of BA and my other, newer tanks (20g FW/29g BW) are showing zero signs of BA/Diatoms as well.
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Thank you Mr.Limpet! Was waiting on you as someone said you had the most experience with this.

Would the idea of a 50/50 mix work in your opinion? I have sand sifting creatures and I want them to have some fine sand as the PFS seemed quite grainy. But I also don't want to have a nightmare in cleaning the sandbed.
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Thank you Mr.Limpet! Was waiting on you as someone said you had the most experience with this.

Would the idea of a 50/50 mix work in your opinion? I have sand sifting creatures and I want them to have some fine sand as the PFS seemed quite grainy. But I also don't want to have a nightmare in cleaning the sandbed.
Can't say I have the most experience, but I do like it a lot.

The thing to consider with PGS is it's a smaller, sharper/angular grain and from my research sand sifters might get hurt from it. I'm gonna put it in with my Moors, so that was a big issue for me.

It is a bit bigger than some aqua sand, but I like the look better and at $10 for 50lbs from Leslie's Pool Supply it was a good price. My local store asked if I wanted silica or non-silica based sand, so the latter was the obvious choice for me.
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:51 PM   #14
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non-silica based sand, so the latter was the obvious choice for me.
IF the silica content doesn't matter, why would you choose the non-silica based sand? Just curious.

I stick by my original post. Agronite sand would be my choice (and is my choice since I am redoing my tank in the near future) I have spent a small fortune on my tank and will not risk fighting an algae outbreak over a couple hundred $ of sand. Just my 2cents.
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IF the silica content doesn't matter, why would you choose the non-silica based sand? Just curious.
I didn't say it mattered, I said it's a myth. I have yet to see anything factual in a real world application that supports the theroy. Much like the anaerobic gas in sand myth or the many myths surrounding carbon.

The fact that I could get sand that was non-silica based, I eliminate any mitigating factors no matter how slight/far fetched.

As an example, I have a huge outbreak of BA in a 3+ year old, seasoned tank with original gravel and the only change was lighting (17w->55w). I was told that's impossible and I can safely say it happened. That's what I mean by a real world application.
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I can appreciate the real world application opinions. What I like about this forum is that people can share what they've done and what happened. If PFS has been used, and people can honestly say from EXPERIENCE and application that it works fine then I'm sold.

On the other hand it's interesting to hear the what if's and warnings, it keeps me updated and informed as to what could happen.

If anyone has had a bad experience with PFS or play sand PLEASE speak up. I want the good and the bad.

As a side note, I have aragonite sand in my 4 sw tanks and to be honest i don't like the texture or feel. My gobies don't seem to enjoy sifting it seems and I don't like the look even.

It's not always about the $$, though that is of extreme importance, but what's gonna work best and look good to me at the same time.
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I can appreciate the real world application opinions. What I like about this forum is that people can share what they've done and what happened. If PFS has been used, and people can honestly say from EXPERIENCE and application that it works fine then I'm sold.

On the other hand it's interesting to hear the what if's and warnings, it keeps me updated and informed as to what could happen.

If anyone has had a bad experience with PFS or play sand PLEASE speak up. I want the good and the bad.

As a side note, I have aragonite sand in my 4 sw tanks and to be honest i don't like the texture or feel. My gobies don't seem to enjoy sifting it seems and I don't like the look even.

It's not always about the $$, though that is of extreme importance, but what's gonna work best and look good to me at the same time.
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I agree completely with your statement and have learned a lot here both positive/negative in nature, or clearing up/correcting info I found along the way. For me the price of PFS isn't a factor, it's just happens to be a bonus .
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I used quickrete play sand and it was a disaster. Toooo small grained, made everything dusty, and was a hassle to take back out. Vacuuming was impossible.

I think pool filter sand and play sand are just labels though and you can get different stuff depending on where you buy it and what brand it is. I'm not sure the criteria to look for, but I think just saying "pool filter sand" or "play sand" could describe just about any sand.
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IF the silica content doesn't matter, why would you choose the non-silica based sand? Just curious.

I stick by my original post. Agronite sand would be my choice (and is my choice since I am redoing my tank in the near future) I have spent a small fortune on my tank and will not risk fighting an algae outbreak over a couple hundred $ of sand. Just my 2cents.

argonite sand is calcium based and its also a PH buffer. it also comes out of the sea.

the glass in your aquarium is made of silica sand and you don't see glass aquariums with problems.

as far as the size of the grain, carey you plan on a DSB so you don't ever want to clean the sand. the critters that live in it will break down all the organics requiring no maintanence on it. when the DBS is establishing, you DO NOT want to disturb it. you can creat harmful gas pockets.

if you like the play sand then you can get a bag and get a feel for it in a bucket of water, see how it is and if you like how it looks and feels
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I can appreciate the real world application opinions. What I like about this forum is that people can share what they've done and what happened. If PFS has been used, and people can honestly say from EXPERIENCE and application that it works fine then I'm sold.

On the other hand it's interesting to hear the what if's and warnings, it keeps me updated and informed as to what could happen.

If anyone has had a bad experience with PFS or play sand PLEASE speak up. I want the good and the bad.

As a side note, I have aragonite sand in my 4 sw tanks and to be honest i don't like the texture or feel. My gobies don't seem to enjoy sifting it seems and I don't like the look even.

It's not always about the $$, though that is of extreme importance, but what's gonna work best and look good to me at the same time.
I am following this thread, as well as your new build! I am in the process of setting up my 110g with 75g sump, and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to know the good/bad/ugly about PFS (I hadn't considered playsand until I read your threads)...

Before I drop a load of cash on aragonite sand, I will continue to watch the threads in order to decide for myself what would be best to purchase. UGH, I have so little patience with this new setup ... I am sure you feel my pain! Good luck to you!
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