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Old 08-15-2013, 05:17 PM   #1
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Pred tank advice?

Hello my salty friends. Just got a great new job. I might finally be able to start a saltwater tank and not be totally broke. Anyway I've always liked predators. What do you guys think the startup cost would be for a tank around 60 to 70 gallons would be? Also stock ideas. Snowflake moray, puffer and a lion? Are those even compatible?

Next off what sort of equipment will I need? Chiller heater? Rodi? Please just break it down to me. I really wanna learn for a while before I get to the execution. Thanks!
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:36 PM   #2
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Starting a take the cost depends. Mostly on where you buy your stuff. I would recommend looking on craigslist or maybe a forum that is oriented around the state you live in. This is where your going to get the best deals. If funds doesnt matter then you it comes down to what you think is best. Have a 125 gallon I did as many diy projects as I could to help make some things cheaper. My setup has costed me close to 4000. My skimmer and leds costed me the most. My tank was only 150 bucks plus the overflow kit and return kit I ordered from glass holes which was another 200 bucks. It adds up pretty quick.
As for things you will need: tank, light, heater, powerhead, some type of filter to clean water.
Optional: skimmer, sump, return pump, rock, sand.
As for fish idk if a lion fish would be alright they can get up to 14ins. With that size tank. But if you get a 75 gallon which is 4ft long and 18ins wide. Then you could put a dwarf lion. For eels the snowflake would be a great one for a predator tank. One of my favorites I want is the harlequin tuskfish. I think this fish is stunning it does have a high price tag but what it brings to a predator tank I believe is well worth the cash.
I know I didnt answer all your questions. The best thing to do is do some research on stuff you like or is what you are considering and post it on here. So people can post opinions on the stuff your thinking about. You will get many answers if you ask, for example, "whats the best skimmer?" This will give you an idea, but someone can have the same piece of equipment and they work total opposite. Get on marine depot and look around at there equipment or type it into youtube and watch some videos and reviews.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:48 PM   #3
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For that size tank I wouldn't go with any of the fish you mentioned. I would go with dwarf lions, and anglers (If I liked predator tanks to begin with). You will need an over-sized protein skimmer and I wouldn't ask what is the best one, because someone might post this!-
Bubble King Mini 180 Internal Protein Skimmer (Gen 2) - Bulk Reef Supply

Just look what the majority (of successful keepers) are using and go with one of those.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:06 PM   #4
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What if went bigger. Say 125? I want an eel and a flame angel. Are those fish safe to have together?

Would a puffer be too much in a tank that size?
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The right size eel and flame angel, yes.
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Would that be a full stock for a 125?
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Would that be a full stock for 125? What else could work in that?
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lions aren't big swimmers, so I would consider a dwarf for a 125 (dwarfs get pretty big, despite the name), and the snowflake would be a perfect eel for that tank. You might even be able to go with a smaller moray.
Anglers don't move a lot and don't need large tanks, but they are still way cool. Rhinopias are also awesome.
A trigger might be good , or a puffer. Just make sure all of these are ok together. I'm not savvy with predator tanks. I've simply ordered them from time to time for people.
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lions aren't big swimmers, so I would consider a dwarf for a 125 (dwarfs get pretty big, despite the name), and the snowflake would be a perfect eel for that tank. You might even be able to go with a smaller moray.
Anglers don't move a lot and don't need large tanks, but they are still way cool. Rhinopias are also awesome.
A trigger might be good , or a puffer. Just make sure all of these are ok together. I'm not savvy with predator tanks. I've simply ordered them from time to time for people.
I'm hoping that someone will chime in on the predator department.
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I have a predator tank with a volitan lion, lunar wrasse, striped puffer, miniatus grouper, and a Niger trigger. The tank is 5x2x2. Wishing I had a six foot tank for them, but they all seem to be getting along great. I have about 160 lbs of live rock to provide plenty of hiding spots for them. The grouper is not a big swimmer as it's more of an ambush predator, as is the lion. The trigger and wrasse are the most active swimmers. My puffer just cruises. I built my own DIY skimmer that is five foot talk to handle the extra waste when it comes to feeding. I also have two canister filters which I wish I would've drilled for a sump now because I clean one each week. Not that big if a deal, but much easier to maintain a sump filter. Lighting is a four bulb t5 with lunar led's. It's an awesome tank and everyone loves the lion as it likes to be dead center of the tank fully outstretched. Very cool looking! Good luck and hope this helps a bit.
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