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Old 11-21-2006, 11:50 PM   #11
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My tank is around 5 months old .... was fishless cycled with die off from my 45lbs of live rock because it was uncured ..... my parameters are 0 ammonia and trites, about 10 trates, between 8-8.2 PH, and 1.025 SG ...... my filtration is the 45lbs of LR ... a CSS 65 skimmer and a fluval cannister filter for flow along with a maxi jet powerhead ... i drip acclimate my fish for around an hour after floating the bag .... right now the tank has a sandsifter goby which has been in there around 2 or 3 weeks and a lawnmower blenny which has been in there since that day the cycle finished ...... i am getting my RO/DI system this thur and plan on getting as much of my water in my tank switched to the RO/DI water .... i have many soft. zoos. shrooms, and LPS corals that are doin awesome in my tank under the 2x65watt corallife light .... so the only reason and most of the people on my local fish forum could think of for my deaths is contributed to using tap water .... i figure ill find out soon if thats the case and im sorry if i caused any uproar but my original intention was to do a true QT with bare bottom and pvc pipe which is why i asked for advice but when i discovered the true cause (that i believe) of my deaths i dont feel like doing a QT now and want to actually make it into another tank .... but if you didnt understand that from my previous post then im sorry ... and i do consider my 29gal a success so far i just cant seem to keep the clowns or wrasses ... but this is my first SW tank and i think im doin ok so far .... thanks

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If you want another tank, that's cool... but even though I'm a newbie myself, I have to agree that your tap water doesn't sound like the culprit.

You posted back in October about your SG climbing high and it turned out you weren't doing any freshwater top offs, just doing a partial water change with saltwater when you noticed your water levels being low. Sounds like from your last post that you got your SG issue under control, but could that play in here somewhere? Did you have your fish in there when you were adjusting your SG downward?

While I don't argue that RO/DI water is the best way to go, if your water parameters (ammonia/nitrite/nitrates) are not too far out of whack, and you're taking care of the heavy metals and chlorine with a water conditioner, then using tap water shouldn't kill your fish outright. You might have algae or pH/alkalinity issues, but it doesn't seem like it'd kill your fish. Seems like your corals would be the first to go if water quality was the issue.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:41 AM   #13
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then what killed my fish?

edit: yes i lost most of them after i got my SG under control and i have kept it steady
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:14 AM   #14
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Maybe some kind of parasite? I use tap water with the water conditioner and my tank has been doing okay. I have lost a lot of fish though. Partially because I didnt know what I was doing and because of my acclimation process. Now I have that fixed and my latest additions have been doing awesome. I have had my clowns in my tank from the day that it finished cycling. They are very hardy. I really dont know what is killing your fish but I agree with everyone else when they say its probably not just the tap water. Have you done a tds test on your tap water?
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:27 AM   #15
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then what killed my fish?

edit: yes i lost most of them after i got my SG under control and i have kept it steady
But were the fish that you lost in the tank when you had the high SG? Or was your tank fishless at that point?

What exactly is it about your tap water that makes you think it was the culprit? Again... from my understanding - and I have no corals yet, and could be dead wrong here, so please correct me folks if I'm wrong - but if you have water chemistry problems, you're going to see it cause problems in your corals before your fish.
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:25 AM   #16
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Well im glad my corals arnt showing it first and no i havnt done a TDS test on my tap and that will be obsolete in 2 days anyway since im getting the RO/DI .... and the fish that were in there when my SG was a little high is my clown that was killed by my decorative spider crab which i got rid of and the blenny that i still have .... after i got my SG down i lost another clown and 2 six lines wrasses along with a firefish .... i drip acclimated them all with lights off ... if im doing something wrong then someone please tell me and i will say that it is not just tap water but right now that is the only thing i can think of and what most of the experienced reefers on my local forum also said the problem is stemming from .... just cause i am not seeing algae or my corals are hurting doesnt mean that it could have some adverse affect on the fish .... then again i could just have bad luck with fish and LFS and it could be none of my fault .... i would like to believe that by i believe the fault lies somewhere within what im doin and so far the only thing i can attribute that to is the tap water ..... if something else sticks out then please speak up

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I think you are doing well with your drip acclimation. Did the fish die around the same time, is it possible they were already sick, when you got them from your LFS? Did you see them eat at the LFS, in your tank? To be honest, if it was your tap water, I would tend to think the corals would be the first to go... If you have been keeping up with your water, I would look at your LFS....
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I got them from different LFS and they were spread out at least a week in between .... there is the chance as i stated that they were already sick from the LFS but from different ones and multiple fish ? also all the fish in question were eating well in my tank on mysis and flake food .... its just that so far you guys are telling me no its not the tap water but havnt given me any other real reason to believe something else

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Obviously, there's no way anyone can say what exactly killed your fish with 100% certainty. But I don't see what's so hard to believe that you got some borderline sick fish from different stores at different times. If you think about everything these fish have been through (assuming their wild, and not tank raised), by the time they hit your fish store they've got to be at their wits end and stressed out to the max. Depending on how long they've been at your fish store, they may or may not be settled down a bit. But either way, yet another netting and transport to yet another new place with different water parameters probably puts these little guys/girls right over the edge.

Just because folks can't pin down with 100% accuracy what the culprit is, doesn't mean it's the water. Again... what exactly in the water do your friends think it is? Copper? Chlorine? ... It's my understanding that water conditioners like Prime take care of that. Think I also read that some salt mixes have stuff in there to bind up the heavy metals. Is it high TDS in your tap?... I don't think that's harmful to fish unless it's some astronomically high number. I'm guessing your water is on the hard side, being from Kansas, but that shouldn't be an issue as long as you're watching your pH - which you are.

Whatever it is, I think you're right to go RO/DI and at least remove that variable from the whole "what's killing my fish" equation. I'd just restock slow though. From your list of deaths, it sounds like you had 4 fish die over the course of less than a month. Maybe just try adding one fish at a time, with about a month in between fishes.

[Edit: PS... Just thought of something - have you been mixing up your saltwater for water changes 1-2 days before you use it? If you're mixing it up and immediately dumping it into your tank, that can cause you problems. How exactly are you mixing/storing your water change water?]
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The main thing that I was concerned about in the tap water would be the copper which will be hard to get out of your tank if there is any in there. I dont know if the water conditioners take care of copper or not but I know some fish dont do well with copper in the system. I could be wrong but that would be my best guess on the tapwater situation. Did you check your water perameters after each fish died? Kurt_Nelson also had a good point about mixing the salt. Stress can do a lot to a fish.
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