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Old 02-22-2007, 04:37 PM   #11
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2 power heads (MJ1200s?)
Probably too much flow for a 29g, especially if you're just starting out FOWLR. Not sure of the flow coming out of your AC20, but I'm just guessing that you'll probably just want to add one powerhead, probably a MJ600 or 900. You can position that powerhead to counter the flow from your HOB and you'll probably have a pretty good pattern.
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:55 AM   #12
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Thank you all for the information. How is this for a development: I just bought a 55g off Craigslist! And I found another craigslist item where the poster is selling salt equipment (mostly tanks and lighting, but also a fluval 404 - $20, 10g sump - $25, and a protein skimmer for $15). I am on my way - but I think that we are still going to hook up the 29g since I still have build a stand and canopy for the 55g.

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Ok, another question -
I am going to start with a 29g, but will soon afterwards upgrade to a 55g (soon being within a year).

For a FOWLR setup, I have read that you should target 1-2 wpg, but for a reef, you would need 4-6wpg according to what I have read. Does actinic count towards that wpg calculation (since it is actually utilized in a SW setup)?

I am working on designing the 55g stand and canopy, and obviously lighting is a big part of the system. I was considering using T8's for the initial FOWLR setup (probably 2 - 6500's, 2 actinics), and later mod'ing the canopy to add 1-2 150w MH lights when I upgrade to reef.

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Old 02-27-2007, 06:28 PM   #14
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Does actinic count towards that wpg calculation
Yes. WPG is a general rule of thumb, and a little vague IMO, but a good starting point none the less.
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Yes, WPG is WPG, weather they are MH, PC, HVOs.
Did you check with the seller if they used any meds in the tank?
If you are planning on reef, up the road, I would go ahead and get the higher wattage lighting.
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Did you check with the seller if they used any meds in the tank?
This tank held reptiles, so no meds were introduced into it.

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If you are planning on reef, up the road, I would go ahead and get the higher wattage lighting.
So I think, for my 29g, we are probably going to have just 25w light, but no actinic to start (is that ok for a FOWLR?). I will need to talk to my wife about when we want to make the jump to the 55g. If it seems like less than 6 months, I may forgo making a canopy for the 29g to upgrade the lighting, and jump start the lighting for the 55g, which will include 2-48" T8's, 2-48" actinics, and 1 or 2 MH's (maybe 150 to start?).

So for the 29g, I will have either 25w or 50w depending on when I start the 55g.

And when the 55g starts up, minimum amount of light would be 2xT8 (72w) + 2xActinic (72w) (~144w), and will later add MH's, adding probably 2x175w MH's.

How does that plan sound?
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Well, I am big fan of monkey wrenches, so I thought that I would toss one in - remember how I was thinking of starting up my 29g, then progressing in the next year to the 55g? Wow, that plan has been shot down hardcore - I am going to pick up a new tank this weekend!

Check out this deal from Craigslist (oh I love it, but I hate it too!):
125g Standard AGA tank
Stand
Eheim 2250 Canister Filter
CPR overflow (275gph)
CPR CR3000 sump system
All the overflow plumbing
heaters, pumps
Coralife 2x96w 72" light fixture
I also get a large piece of driftwood (maybe a new centerpiece item)
No skimmer, and I am not sure about the return pump...

For a grand total of $600! I am going to rent a uhaul trailer this weekend, and drive an hour and a 1/2 to get it (that's one way, but a small price to pay for this!). On top of that, I am going to pick up a 24g NanoCube Deluxe with stand for $150 in the same area!

My savings account is draining this week, but it's ok - the wife says that the SW tank is an "investment"

So now I have to spend a much larger amount on LR than I was planning on, so that will delay me a while. But now I don't know what kind of skimmer I should get for this size tank - any recommendations? Also, for the LR - how does 100lbs of base rock + 60-90lbs of LR sound?

My wife and I are currently evaluating floor strength for where we want to put this, and I may need to consider reinforcements (right now, the only "good" wall spot is along 1 (maybe 2, but doubtful) joists, and not across the joists as it should be. I guess the only ray of sunshine on that location is that it will be right next to the load bearing wall of my house. So if we put it there, there is some additional strength/stability (I know, not that much!). Any good links out there for reinforcing floor joists to handle a large tank?

I tell you what, this is getting exciting!
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I want to run past you a preliminary stocking list for our 29g. We bought the 50lbs of LR last weekend (which was cured at the LFS), and are waiting for it to complete its cycle.

Right now, the tank has 53lbs of LR, a Penguin 1140 powerhead (300gph), and a Fluval 404 (225 gph). I don't have a skimmer yet, but would I need one with all of that circulation and filtration? If I do, I have an AC20 I can put on there with foam blocks in it - will that work?

My lighting is minimal at this time, so I won't be getting any good corals for a while. A thought on that - I am going to build a DIY canopy for this tank, and I was thinking of retrofitting some T8's into it (thinking 4 bulbs for 68w total). Should I plan to put 2 6500's + 2 actinics, or 3 6500s + 1 actinic? With that level of lighting, would that cover most softies and some LPS, or do I need to go higher for the LPS corals?

After the cycle has completed, we are looking at this stocking list for that tank.

1 Royal Gramma
1 Purple Firefish
1 Ocellaris Clown
1 Blue/Green Chromis
1 Lawnmower Blenny

How will this group fair together, and what order would be the best for adding these guys?


And for inverts:
either a skunk cleaner, peppermint, or fire shrimp
turbo snails
cerith snails
fighting conchs
nassarius snails
either a sally lightfoot, emerald mithrax, arrow crab

Are there any compatibility issues with this group? Also, I really have no idea what kind of quantities of inverts I should have in there, so any help there would be great.

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What happened to the 125?

If it were my tank, I'd ditch the Fluval 404 and get a skimmer. Canisters can actually cause more trouble than they are worth in a saltwater tank, with nitrates building up. This isn't an issue if you clean it regularly, but some people still use them for flow, just remove the foam blocks.

Your lighting sounds good. I don't know the specs on T8 lightings. T5 lighting will get you plenty of light at that number though, so I assume even with a lesser strength light that the T8's will be enough. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

About the fish, you might have issues with the gramma and firefish, and you might not. Depends on the aggressiveness of those fish. The clown is a good idea, but ideally chromis like to be in a group. Finally, I would definitley skip the lawnmower blenny for now. They need a well established tank with plenty of film algae and food. Many of them starve to death quickly, and not all will eat prepared foods (most do not). I would look into either a pair of clowns maybe, and a firefish. Or maybe 3 chromis and no clowns.

Your inverts look fine to me, except that I'd skip the sally lightfoot. Great crabs when they are juvis, mean ones when they get mature.
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What happened to the 125?
Oh, we are picking that up next weekend! I think though, because of its size, we may make that a fish only setup for now. We are making the 29g a reef.

So for the 29, maybe an abbreviated stocking list would look something like this:

1 Occellaris Clown
1 Firefish
1 Coral Beauty or Flame Angel
1 Blenny (down the line - ideally we would rather have a scooter anyway )

Maybe an Emerald Mithrax crab, 1 Fire Shrimp, and how many of each of the snails? What about a decorator crab (the wife loves them!)?

Thanks for the help!
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