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Old 05-11-2015, 12:29 PM   #31
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Whoa that blew up like crazy!!! Alright so I read a lot and most of it is about the hair grass algae yes I do have a huge problem with it I'm not going to lie every time I clean the rocks I pull about 5 pounds of algae out I've tried clean up crews and everything nothing seems to work it does make me wry angry as it looks ugly in my opinion I've never been able to get rid of it but it was worse about 6 months ago it's starting to slowly die off in my tank it's mostly on my rock and that's what I'm trying to get rid of now I Elena thinking about leaving rocks in freshwater for a couple days to kill it but I have other living creatures like feather dusters hitchhiker anemones (good ones) and a pistol shrimp and I don't want to kill my shrimp even though I never see him he's a cool addition so I'm out of ideas!
maybe you should consider building an ATS if you are pulling that much out.
check snipers thread about it.
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What's an ATS??? I've never heard or seen that before. This is a new thing and I thought I knew quite a bit lol!
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An algae turf scrubber. Pretty basic explanation is a screen for algae to grow on outside of the display tank, like a sump, where water is pumped over the screen and lights are pointed at the screen to encourage algae to grow there.
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The true benefit of ATS over fuge is most don't remove dispose of calurpaes in the fuge.
They do remove the algae(this is true exportation).
ATS are simple and effective.
I'm going to agree NO feedings by me to my nems.
Maybe the clowns or flow offer a bite,but it is light that rules the show IMO.
I hope yours do as well as mine!
I just checked my old thread it was just over a year ago for mine.
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I'll bet ya it's the clown. See if the anemone the clown chooses splits again. If they both split, then there goes my theory.
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The true benefit of ATS over fuge is most don't remove dispose of calurpaes in the fuge.
They do remove the algae(this is true exportation).
ATS are simple and effective.
I'm going to agree NO feedings by me to my nems.
Maybe the clowns or flow offer a bite,but it is light that rules the show IMO.
I hope yours do as well as mine!
I just checked my old thread it was just over a year ago for mine.
Isn't it true that the more algae you have, the more nutrients it will absorb? Why then would it be beneficial to remove algae at all, other than freeing up some space for another reason?
FYI, everyone rips algae out of the refugium at some point or another, otherwise the underside of the mass will stop getting light and die off, reintroducing nutrients to the system.
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My prolifera grows slow IMO ( too slow to be "high impact").
My racemorsa will grow quickly but also go sexuall and release a lot of nutrients back to system IMO.
I try to 'harvest' and export mine.
I actually feel like good growth means excess nutrients are in water column like in fw EI dosing strategy and without conducting large water changes (unnecessary in marine IMO also) that removing the algae(calurpae{it is a macro algae) is what should should be done?
The algae(hair crap) in a ASTS will not leach what it uses,why remove it???
To encourage new higher growth and higher nutrient export.
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I'm still having a hard time because so many people are with it then others are against it (the algae) now what do I do mr_x I'm not sure what has caused it all I know as of now it that they seem to be fine but I'm not 100% on them he switches between the anemones all day and seems to want or need to host them both as he switches quite often I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do at this point when I set up my 90 I'm just going to get all dry rock and then buy coral and stuff from my LFS because I don't want worms or anything on my rocks
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Isn't it true that the more algae you have, the more nutrients it will absorb? Why then would it be beneficial to remove algae at all, other than freeing up some space for another reason?
FYI, everyone rips algae out of the refugium at some point or another, otherwise the underside of the mass will stop getting light and die off, reintroducing nutrients to the system.
algae only takes up nutrients as it grows, so pruning and encouraging new growth will always use up more nutrients than old growth.

that is the same concept behind fluidized bed filters and media reactors. As the media bangs around the outer and older layers of bacteria get knocked off and new colonies grow to take their place so there is always new, viable bacteria growing.
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I'm still having a hard time because so many people are with it then others are against it (the algae) now what do I do mr_x I'm not sure what has caused it all I know as of now it that they seem to be fine but I'm not 100% on them he switches between the anemones all day and seems to want or need to host them both as he switches quite often I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do at this point when I set up my 90 I'm just going to get all dry rock and then buy coral and stuff from my LFS because I don't want worms or anything on my rocks
I'm not against algae as a form of nutrient export/nutrient sponge, but I prefer a large refugium over an ATS for it's "refuge from predation" factor. I like that pods have a massive place to populate unchecked, except for the return pump. If you have enough space, either will be beneficial.

As for your anemone issue, it's early to say that this anemone will fail, or that the splitting is something you should worry about. If its the clown, then he will do his thing and so will the anemones.
Most worms are good. People spend hundreds of dollars on "clean up crews" when they have free cleaners that come with the rock. They kill of the worms that are eating the detritus, just to buy some crabs that end up eating their snails...lol.
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